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re: inspired by the tiger woods athletic thread (soccer)
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:06 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:06 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying.
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Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:09 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Soccer is much more cerebral and thus your claims are stupid. This isn't to say that Lebron and others listed aren't smart enough for soccer, but its a totally different style of game. Even those who live and breath it, don't get it 90% of the time. It takes a very special player to have both the skill and intellect to play soccer. Its not to take away anything from other sports, I just thinks its retarded to try and compare these sports to each other purely on athleticism.
So you're insinuating that Emmanuel Adebayor, Wayne Rooney, Lionel Messi are all cerebral players and have no athleticism. Do you even watch soccer?
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:09 pm to Stagg8
yea, soccer, just like other sports is moving towards faster, stronger players internationally. It doesn't matter nearly as much how smart the defender is when Altidore is blowing by him.
Besides, like we said. America has some of the best natural born athletes in the world. It takes a lot of athleticism to play soccer. If every young child in America lived and breathed soccer their whole lives, we would field a sick team. And I definitely think NBA players like CP3 are cerebral enough to know spacings etc. on the soccer field and make adjustments.
Besides, like we said. America has some of the best natural born athletes in the world. It takes a lot of athleticism to play soccer. If every young child in America lived and breathed soccer their whole lives, we would field a sick team. And I definitely think NBA players like CP3 are cerebral enough to know spacings etc. on the soccer field and make adjustments.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:09 pm to Stagg8
Are they better because of their athleticism? Yes. Are they the best the US has to offer? no. My point is that most of you people keep acting like we don't have great soccer players here already. We do, but unfortunately the US National team system is an utter joke and largely due to the nepotism that goes on in there. The two you've suggested, guess what? They are average at best, but because they got into the developmental "crew", they play.
It's sad when rather than realizing there is a real problem in who is in charge of the US soccer federation, we try to claim its a lack of focus on the sport.
It's sad when rather than realizing there is a real problem in who is in charge of the US soccer federation, we try to claim its a lack of focus on the sport.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:11 pm to thenry712
Did I say it takes no athleticism? NO, I did not. I said its a more cerebral sport. Players have to be coaches on the field as well as great athletes. You people are so dense its retarded. Always an excuse for the Americans not being the best.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:11 pm to GeauxBob
If we had more focus on the sport, more people would care about what you're saying and do something about it.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:11 pm to GeauxBob
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We do, but unfortunately the US National team system is an utter joke and largely due to the nepotism that goes on in there.
Dude. Seriously? You think there is a group of guys in the U.S. now that could routinely find themselves among the best national teams in the world?
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:11 pm to thenry712
Just wondering, how'd you respond to me and highlight the quote of a different person? I've seen it done before and always wanted to know how people do it. 
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:12 pm to GeauxBob
geaux... in your opinion how much better would we be with our elite athletes in...if at all
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:13 pm to GeauxBob
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Always an excuse for the Americans not being the best.
What country is the best in the world at a major sport where the popularity of that sport in their country is less than auto racing and reality TV?
This post was edited on 5/14/09 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:15 pm to Stagg8
Yes seriously. We "develop" the wrong players, and then when it turns out they suck (in general) because they are limited, we then claim that's the best we got. The problem is that the best players aren't developed because of the good ole boys system in US soccer. Its not about athleticism alone. It's about the fact that shitty players are "developed" because either they have money or have a connection to someone with money. Once in a while, they let an outsider in and we see what happens when they become the best on the team.
Donovan is the worst best player to ever grace a world cup contender from a major nation. That should say something to you people.
Donovan is the worst best player to ever grace a world cup contender from a major nation. That should say something to you people.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:15 pm to GeauxBob
It's really not a joke. The nepotism you speak of is only Bob Bradley's son Michael is on the national team. And he happens to be one of the best players on the team. They aren't the best, sure, but they are on the rise. See 2002. In 2006, we had a blip where we were put in a bad group.
Also Bob blows.
I don't feel like completely destroying your arguments, the other soccertards should be on your case soon. Calling Leauxgan, Henderson and Mr. Shankley
Also Bob blows.
I don't feel like completely destroying your arguments, the other soccertards should be on your case soon. Calling Leauxgan, Henderson and Mr. Shankley
This post was edited on 5/14/09 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:16 pm to GeauxBob
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Yes seriously. We "develop" the wrong players, and then when it turns out they suck (in general) because they are limited, we then claim that's the best we got. The problem is that the best players aren't developed because of the good ole boys system in US soccer. Its not about athleticism alone. It's about the fact that shitty players are "developed" because either they have money or have a connection to someone with money. Once in a while, they let an outsider in and we see what happens when they become the best on the team.
Donovan is the worst best player to ever grace a world cup contender from a major nation. That should say something to you people.
So again... you're saying there are players in the U.S. now that could routinely compete for World Cups? If so, I would love to see that team.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:16 pm to Stagg8
Are we assuming that our elite athletes would put be willing to put their pride and ego aside so that they could flop like a bunch of pussies in order for the US to be perennial WC contenders?
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:17 pm to SPEEDY
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Are we assuming that our elite athletes would put be willing to put their pride and ego aside so that they could flop like a bunch of pussies in order for the US to be perennial WC contenders?
We're assuming that Vlade would come in as a special assistant to teach this exact method.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:18 pm to St Augustine
TigerinAugustine, I think we'd be better, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it would make us top 3 to just take our best athletes, even if they were trained or soccer from childhood.
I think we'd be better served with better scouting by the national team. The stopping of this retarded nepotism and actually developing players that have potential. This is the problem. The great potential players in the US are overlooked for the good ole boys. The US has players that could be developed to be great.
Staggs, the US has a great love for the sport at the youth level, just not at the professional level. Again,the players you see in the MLS aren't the best in the US, just the ones that got into developmental leagues because of connections.
I think we'd be better served with better scouting by the national team. The stopping of this retarded nepotism and actually developing players that have potential. This is the problem. The great potential players in the US are overlooked for the good ole boys. The US has players that could be developed to be great.
Staggs, the US has a great love for the sport at the youth level, just not at the professional level. Again,the players you see in the MLS aren't the best in the US, just the ones that got into developmental leagues because of connections.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:20 pm to SPEEDY
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Are we assuming that our elite athletes would put be willing to put their pride and ego aside so that they could flop like a bunch of pussies in order for the US to be perennial WC contenders?
First of all if you don't understand soccer don't make an argument. Diving is a terrible part of the game, and unfortunately the best player in the world right now practices it frequently (Ronaldo). But if you watch Leo Messi or Fernando Torres you'll appreciate the sport much more.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:21 pm to thenry712
thenry, there is more nepotism going on than just the Bradley bunch. It's in the system now and has been for over 2 decades. The team is no better now than in 1994. We are more athletic, but not near the team we should have.
To Staggs, yes. I think the problem we have is developing the right players. The system that gets kids into the US team is a joke. Many players on the US team are solid players, but they won't take you far in the WC.
To Staggs, yes. I think the problem we have is developing the right players. The system that gets kids into the US team is a joke. Many players on the US team are solid players, but they won't take you far in the WC.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:22 pm to GeauxBob
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Many players on the US team are solid players, but they won't take you far in the WC.
I understand what you're saying... I just think the U.S. team that could currently take us far in the World Cup doesn't exist.
Posted on 5/14/09 at 10:23 pm to St Augustine
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Just wondering, how'd you respond to me and highlight the quote of a different person? I've seen it done before and always wanted to know how people do it
it's not exactly rocket science
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