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re: In your opinion: Worst jobs in D-1A college football?

Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by ThugginItandLovinIt
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:11 pm to
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I don't even think that job's the 3rd worst in their conference


UCLA is NOT a football school. It's basically NYU West. The Rose Bowl is sweet, but there's no funding, public schools in Cali are gonna get Fed hard, and an apathetic student body.

Couple these restrictions with semi-recent success in the 1980s, and it's an untenable situation. Karl Dorrell did a good job and got run out of town.

Pac-12 jobs in terms of desirability:

1. USC, of course
2. Oregon (Nike money)
3. Washington, good school, ok recruiting base in Seattle
4. Stanford (national brand name, academic powerhouse, low expectations)
5. Arizona State (anyone can get admitted, Tempe is the shite)
6. Zona
7. edit: Cal. On a phone call and mind slipped
8. UCLA (high expectations, no money)
9. Utah
10. Colorado
11. Oregon State
12. Wazzu
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 5:02 pm
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:13 pm to
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New Mexico is surrounded by Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, Colorado, and California isn't that far away.


FWIW Las Cruces in 670 miles from Denver, 761 miles from LA, 790 miles from Houston, 388 to Phoenix and 671 from OKC.

Just for comparison, Baton Rouge is 670 mile drive to St. Louis.

It is within an hour of El Paso.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:15 pm to
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5. Colorado

6. B.C.

7. Wyoming (anything in the Rockies, no black athletes).

8. Syracuse

9. Buffalo

10. UCONN (anything in the northeast, no recruits or fans)


You're crazy putting CU on that list.

Wyoming is a really tough school to win. Anyone been to Laramie? ZERO instate talent.
Posted by bomber77
Member since Aug 2008
14783 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:18 pm to
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Idaho, cause no one wants to live in Idaho.


I interviewed for a job years ago in Sun Valley Idaho. One of the most beautiful places Ive ever seen. Just sayin
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
38219 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:19 pm to
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a place like belhaven
7WT Boom!
Posted by tcoachmc
Palo Alto
Member since Dec 2010
916 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:26 pm to
Where is Cal on your list? I didn't know there was two Universities of Washington.
Posted by busey
First Coast, Florida
Member since Feb 2010
22958 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:29 pm to
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Kentucky


Disagree. Get 6 wins most seasons with the occasional 8 win season and you can stay for as long as you like. If you're trying to get a big time gig, it's not a great place to be, but it's not the worst.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:36 pm to
Yeah the hoops schools like Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, Carolina are double-edged. If you can muster .500 seasons you'll probably stick around. Or even worse, say... Duke. Do they ever fire football coaches?

On the other hand, you'll always be 2nd fiddle on campus and probably not paid what your conference-mates are making.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9030 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:38 pm to
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Idaho, cause no one wants to live in Idaho.


I interviewed for a job years ago in Sun Valley Idaho. One of the most beautiful places Ive ever seen. Just sayin



I was about to say the same thing. Depends on what one wants culturally but as far as remarkably beautiful natural resources you can do a lot worse than Idaho.


On the subject of UCLA -- The main thing that makes that job worse than one may think is that the lack of support is coupled with an idea that the football team should be good which separates it from many of the other schools on the list where expectations are low.
So if you're a coach that wants a stepping stone to a better job, it could well be the worst one to take.










This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 4:43 pm
Posted by carbola
Bloomington, IN
Member since Aug 2010
4308 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:34 pm to
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E. Michigan: Terrible school, the city sucks, non-existent support (they've discussed being demoted to 1AA several times in the past due to low attendance), and stuck in the shadows of UMich.



Ypsi actually has some really good burger joint apparently. Also, Ann Arbor is only about 15 minutes away so super easy commute. Nowhere near as bad as Indiana State's city. I did my undergrad in the same city (Terre Haute, IN) and there is nothing there...nothing. I actually bumped into my swim coach several times because of that at the bars.
Posted by T1
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2006
3060 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:37 pm to
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i second san jose state

tiny stadium, no fan base, no history


A little history:

Bill Walsh, Dick Vermeil, Jeff Garcia, Pop Warner, Jack Elway, and Peter Ueberroth
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:39 pm to
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1. Anything Directional State (ie. W. Michigan, South Alabama, UL-L, ULM, UAB, UTEP, North Texas, Northern Illinois, Western Kentucky)



Mark Hudspeth and Willie Taggart are becoming hot names from the schools you listed so I seriously doubt those are the worst jobs in America.
Posted by bomber77
Member since Aug 2008
14783 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:42 pm to
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Nowhere near as bad as Indiana State's city.


I read something about this a couple of years ago. They said the football facilities were the worst in the nation and it wasnt close!
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37067 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:46 pm to
buffalo

and I would say vanderbilt is a difficult job but one that offers unique recruiting opportunities that make it far from the worst in teh country

yes, they are likely to be the whipping boy for the best teams in the conference but you can walk into a recruit's living room and tell them "son, I want you to come to Vanderbilt where you can play in the best football conference in the country and get one of the best educations in the country"
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17360 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:51 pm to
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Ypsi actually has some really good burger joint apparently.


Red Robin
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60745 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:55 pm to
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You're crazy putting CU on that list.


Actually, I was thinking CU would be my answer.

You can go a lot of ways with this question. Most people are going to say NonAQ schools, particularly in places with cold weather or less desirable towns. I would guess on an SEC board the MAC and Sun Belt would overwhelming choices. However, as some have already pointed out, many good to great coaches have come from a lot of the schools mentioned, be they MAC, SB or basketball schools like UNC, Mich State or Ok State.
I'd go with CU at the moment because they have some expectations, but it will be hard to win there. They have no natural recruiting base and unless they've changed in the past couple of years, place self restrictions on recruiting that hurt. Tough to sell a kid from Calif if he can only visit you for 24 hours, while he can visit other places for 48.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 5:55 pm
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20484 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:04 pm to
1. UAB. Way too close to Bama to ever be successful.
2. Baylor. I'm sorry that the Texas Legislature hasn't ceded Waco to Oklahoma. Then again, Oklahoma isn't that desparate. Or stupid.
3. UNC/Duke/NC State/Wake Forest. This should be easy to figure.
4. Kansas. See #3.
5. Kentucky. See #3. And being in the SEC doesn't help things.
Posted by Lafman
Member since Mar 2010
540 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:32 pm to
UL-L isn't by far the worst job in coaching. Matter of a fact, now that Hud has turned the football program around, I'd say its a pretty good job over LOTS of programs. Don't know what he is making salarywise, but i'm sure its pretty good, also doesn't have to put up with crappy fans, horrible traffic, no culture, cancer alley from the refineries, and so on. I think he and all the other coaches in all the sports love it in Laffy.
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:35 pm to
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Idaho, cause no one wants to live in Idaho.


A lot of people who are smart and wealthy and have been there...want to live there.
Posted by filmmaker45
Member since Mar 2008
14554 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:35 pm to
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