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Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:38 pm to H-Town Tiger
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and got squashed in said AFC CG They were a mediocre team "got hot" that beat an old declining Patriots team ripe for the picking and Baltimore who had 3 turnovers and went 0-4 on 4th down conversations.
When was the last time the Cowboys made it to the conference championship game?
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why on earth would you think Prescott could never get to the CCG?
I didn’t say he can’t couldn’t get them there with the right pieces surrounding him. I’m saying he and someone like Fromm/Jordan Love/ Jalen/Eason would not have the same talent surrounding them.
You bringing up shitty QBs making it to conference championship games is only helping my point. When you invest too much in one position (and they can’t carry the team) you’re not leaving enough money for the rest of the team.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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you could say the same thing about KC Mahomes
Dak is not Mahomes.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:41 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Blake Bortles and Trent Dilfer have won made it to CCG. Dak is better than both and Zeke is a better back than either of them.
Dallas’s problem was coaching, not talent.
You’re only helping my point.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:43 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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he knows how to work the cap for players he truly believes will lead the franchise to Super Bowls. Not brain surgery.
Well, its been 25 years now right? So whether or not he knows how to work the cap his personnel evaluation appears to be inadequate.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:56 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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When was the last time the Cowboys made it to the conference championship game?
irrelevant to the discussion
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I’m saying he and someone like Fromm/Jordan Love/ Jalen/Eason would not have the same talent surrounding them.
and I'm saying that's not necessarily true / doesn't really matter. you are saying pay everything BUT the most important position by far
If Fromm/Love/Eason get to the CCG they will want/get a big raise as well. Mark Sanchez got a big deal after they made the CCG twice, its way worse to pay a guy that's shitty because the team wins than a guy who the numbers show is actually very good. quote:
you bringing up shitty QBs making it to conference championship games is only helping my point. When you invest too much in one position (and they can’t carry the team) you’re not leaving enough money for the rest of the team.
No, its called confirmation bias. You have a theory that over paying QB's hurts teams but what evidence do you have for that? Russell Wilson is making more than Prescott, Seattle was in the playoffs last year. They were literally an inch away from winning their division, that inch was not because they paid Wilson too much. Rodgers, Big Ben, Brees, Manning all were among the highest paid QBs and have had plenty of success.
You guys are too hung on "deserve" its the market. But as a Cowboy hater I'd LOVE To see them let Prescott walk and go with Jake Fromm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:57 pm to McCaigBro69
When I moved to Houston, I got so tired of listening to the "America's Team" line from colleagues in Dallas.
Fast forward two decades: Started feeling a bit sorry for them.
Present day: wonder if Dallas will ever be a power again because they seem to have mastered shooting themselves so that the end result is known before the season starts.
Fast forward two decades: Started feeling a bit sorry for them.
Present day: wonder if Dallas will ever be a power again because they seem to have mastered shooting themselves so that the end result is known before the season starts.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:59 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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Dak is not Mahomes.
This is your problem you think it should be merit based. That Mahomes is better doesn;t change the fact that he will still eat up a large share of the cap and they will not be able to pay other positions, so according to your theory they should trade hime (imagine what you get for Mahomes, a helluva a lot more than Dak
) and draft some rookie they could pay less. quote:
You’re only helping my point.
no he's not
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
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lRussell Wilson is making more than Prescott, Seattle was in the playoffs last year. They were literally an inch away from winning their division, that inch was not because they paid Wilson too much. Rodgers, Big Ben, Brees, Manning all were among the highest paid QBs and have had plenty of success.
First off you only read what you want to. I never said you should pay a premium for an elite QB. Dak is not elite.
All of those QBs are/were worth what they got. Dak is not even close to the same level as them.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
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This is your problem you think it should be merit based. That Mahomes is better doesn;t change the fact that he will still eat up a large share of the cap
Mahomes and every other elite QBs can make up for lack of talent in other positions. Dak can’t and that’s is why he doesn’t deserve to be paid like an elite QB. I hope they do pay him, I hate the Cowboys.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:42 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
I wouldn't expect Dak to be signing anything for a bit.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 5:17 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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I never said you should pay a premium for an elite QB is not elite.
Fair enough but this raises 2 other questions : what are you defining as "elite" and why don't you think Dak qualifies?
I'll grant you Mahomes and Wilson are on another level but based on what he's done, i just don't see how he's not at least a top 7-10 QB and since his rookie deal is done he's up for a new contract. They have a good roster as it is and a new coach, to start over with a rookie would be insane imo. You and others get too caught up in a meaningless statements like "highest paid". That's just at one moment in time, Garappolo was the highest paid QB after signing his deal in 2018 but last year he was in the middle of the pack for QB's The first year was higher because of the signing bonus and they still made the Super Bowl. Contracts can also get restrux, it won't be "highest" paid for the duration of the contract esecially for cap purposes. Personally i think Prescott is better than Jimmy G.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 5:19 pm to McCaigBro69
I’m scared the Cowboys are going to make Dak the highest paid NFL player
Conversely, I'm thrilled at the prospect and hoping it happens.
Conversely, I'm thrilled at the prospect and hoping it happens.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 6:07 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
No I’m not. Those inferior players took their team to the CCG. The Cowboys can pay Dak $35 or $35 million next season, that doesn’t change the quality of the roster. That doesn’t make him a better or worse player.
The contracts are going up because the tv payouts are going up. A decade or so ago when the cap was $100 million, top quarterbacks were getting $10-15 million. Now they get $20-30 million a year and the cap is at $200 million. Yeah if you look at the dollar amount it looks ridiculously high. However the percentages have not changed at all.
Drafting a qb later and hoping he gives you anything close to what Dak - a top 10 guy - gives you is asinine. No one is going to give you anything close to a great deal because they would have to part with capital AND sign him to a deal.
The contracts are going up because the tv payouts are going up. A decade or so ago when the cap was $100 million, top quarterbacks were getting $10-15 million. Now they get $20-30 million a year and the cap is at $200 million. Yeah if you look at the dollar amount it looks ridiculously high. However the percentages have not changed at all.
Drafting a qb later and hoping he gives you anything close to what Dak - a top 10 guy - gives you is asinine. No one is going to give you anything close to a great deal because they would have to part with capital AND sign him to a deal.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:09 pm to tiggerthetooth
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He deserves a large deal.
no he doesnt, and he proved he doesnt last year
but i hope jerry does it so dallas can continue as a dumpster fire for many years to come
Posted on 4/23/20 at 7:44 pm to keakar
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no he doesnt, and he proved he doesnt last year
he proved he shouldn't get e new deal by being 2nd in passing yards 4th in TD passes
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