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re: If there was any question on who the best qb ever is
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:06 am to USMC Gators
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:06 am to USMC Gators
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The one time that Peyton won the SB, he had 3 TDs to 7 TOs in the playoffs. How he got mvp of that SB is beyond me.
It was pretty much the Lifetime Achievement MVP. Manning was attrocious. Hell he wasn't that much better than Rex fvcking Grossman.
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:08 am to TulaneTigerFan
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I was just referring to that one game, which someone referenced as an example of him choking. By the end of the game when the choking happened the temp had reached single digits and it was pretty obvious that his arm was dead. He couldn't throw a 10 yard out
Note to self:
When I am exhuasted after a 5 quarter slugfest and my arm is falling off, don't committ the number one QB offence and throw across my body while rolling right.
Got it.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:11 am to FootballNostradamus
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o think he pretty much locked up the MVP in week 1.
wat
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:12 am to dpd901
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There are 4 guys who have changed the way the position was played... Sammy Baugh, Johnny U, Joe Montana, and Peyton Manning.
Otto Graham was more influential than Sammy Baugh.
And as far as influencing the game, Montana didn't advance it that much outside of being dominant and a professional winner.
As an honorable mention I'd add Fran Tarkenton to any list about influential QBs. Had it not been for Staubach's infamous Hail Mary Tarkenton would rightfully have his Super Bowl and be mentioned among the greats like he deserves.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:21 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:nah
Otto Graham was more influential than Sammy Baugh
Slingin' Sammy opened up the game
No offense to Otto, but his big influence was that he won a lot
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:30 am to Kafka
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Slingin' Sammy opened up the game
Baugh legend is partly due to the fact that he was one of the best QBs, CBs, AND punters to ever play the game. He was insane at so many levels.
What Baugh started to bring to the game at the QB position, however, Graham perfected it.
I'd have no problem with someone putting Baugh over Graham, I just prefer the later. They're both 2 of the greatest of all-time for sure.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 5:36 am to oleyeller
No there isn't, its Eli
Posted on 9/6/13 at 5:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Oh and he didn't CHOKE in the playoffs YEAR AFTER YEAR like Peyton does. And yeah, PLAYOFFS DO MATTER!!!!
So does sample size.
Also, if Manning chokes, why are his playoff stats better than nonchokers' stats?
Posted on 9/6/13 at 7:15 am to ATLienTiger
Montana is the GOAT and I say that as a Saints fan. I watched him play. If that dude played in today's NFL (in his prime) he'd be a lock for 40-50 TDs a season.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 7:41 am to oleyeller
Not taking anything from Manning performance, but the way defenses aren't allowed to play plays into his #'s. Would have loved to Marino play today
Posted on 9/6/13 at 7:45 am to tankyank13
Personally I'd take John Elway
He carried three teams to the Super Bowl on his back. Maybe the three least talented teams to ever reach that game yet he took them there
And it really doesn't matter who's the GOAT, it's a subjective rather ridiculous argument that people promote for some unknown reason
He carried three teams to the Super Bowl on his back. Maybe the three least talented teams to ever reach that game yet he took them there
And it really doesn't matter who's the GOAT, it's a subjective rather ridiculous argument that people promote for some unknown reason
Posted on 9/6/13 at 7:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Oh and he didn't CHOKE in the playoffs YEAR AFTER YEAR like Peyton does
Peyton plays safety?
What if Kendra Wilkinson's husband would have held on to the onside kick in the Super Bowl?
Posted on 9/6/13 at 7:57 am to Jake88
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Did you see Joe play? He was an ice fricking cold assassin.
You guys do realize it's far easier to pass the ball successfully in the NFL today due to rule changes designed to keep simpletons entertained who would otherwise drift off during a 13-7 slugfest, don't you? They've changed the ways offensive lineman block, and the secondary can cover WR's all with the intent to see more passing yards and TD's.
48 tds from 1984 Dan Marino is worth 65 today.
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Who is a better quarterback? Who played the position better? If you answer joe, you're a homer or insane.
Montana. You're a child, and didn't have the benefit of seeing Montana play.
Holy shite all this right here. People these days refuse to admit how radically the game has changed since Montana played.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 7:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
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every single quarterback ever played in a system. The way he executed that system was revolutionary.
No it wasn't
Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:10 am to DelU249
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Look at his numbers and accomplishments, then put them next to Manning's
Dude, are you 13? Have you not seen how much the game and rules have changed over the past 20 years? Just compare the Top 10 statistical passers from the 1988 Season vs. 2008 Season.
Even still, I'll put up their numbers.
PLAYOFFS (when it matters most to be the best):
Montana: 23 Games - 45 TDs - 21 INTs - 95.6 RTG
Manning: 20 Games - 32 TDs - 21 INTs - 88.4 RTG
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:11 am to Samso
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Holy shite all this right here. People these days refuse to admit how radically the game has changed since Montana played.
I suppose it's impossible to imagine someone with Peyton's talent succeeding in the old days? That's the problem with you old timer arguments. Yall always say that so and so would dominate with today's rules, but why isn't the reverse true as well?
Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:21 am to REG861
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Mannings incredible..but as some point you have to consider his playoff performance. It just hasn't matched his regular season brilliance. Superbowls shouldnt be the determining factor of a quarterback's worth, but the disparity between Mannings regular season and postseason are undeniable
Motherfricking this.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:38 am to REG861
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Mannings incredible..but as some point you have to consider his playoff performance. It just hasn't matched his regular season brilliance. Superbowls shouldnt be the determining factor of a quarterback's worth, but the disparity between Mannings regular season and postseason are undeniable.
Agreed. He's an outstanding quarterback, but it's pretty clear that he's not at his best when it counts.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:43 am to oleyeller
I think you misspelled Joe Montana.
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