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re: I feel like I am the only Mavericks fan alive who didn't like Luka
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:39 am to Stidham8
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:39 am to Stidham8
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They saw the writing on the wall and didn’t want to tank their franchise with a 345 million contract on an overweight star who gets hunted on defense in the playoffs.
What part of "This was an awful trade just from an assets standpoint" don't some of yall get?
Take whatever you think about Luka and his conditioning or whatever problem you want to create out of it. Regardless of what you think about him (I personally dislike the dude), he was one of the three most valuable assets in the NBA. They legit could have gotten pretty much ANY player in the NBA plus picks for him outside of Jokic and maybe SGA. Maybe not Curry just out loyalty on GS part. Even if you didn't get a player like AD back you could have gotten as arse ton amount of first round picks, mostly likely a guaranteed top 2 pick in the upcoming draft if you waited. The Utah Jazz got numerous quality players and four first round picks for RUDY GOBERT. Hell the Bulls gave up more first round picks for Nokola Vucevic than the Lakers did for Luka.
Stop trying to justify this trade. Even if they saw some made up writing on the wall, they didn't have to trade him right now.
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:42 am to Stidham8
That’s fine and I understand them not wanting to invest that much money into one guy they have legit concerns over. Even though Luka was still a walking triple double even if he was “chubby”
But like Bunchie said, you do it in the offseason and you receive a MASSIVE haul. I think that’s where the disconnect is coming from.
But like Bunchie said, you do it in the offseason and you receive a MASSIVE haul. I think that’s where the disconnect is coming from.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:47 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Take whatever you think about Luka and his conditioning or whatever problem you want to create out of it. Regardless of what you think about him (I personally dislike the dude), he was one of the three most valuable assets in the NBA. They legit could have gotten pretty much ANY player in the NBA plus picks for him outside of Jokic and maybe SGA. Maybe not Curry just out loyalty on GS part.
Jokic? No
Giannis? No (which allegedly happened)
SGA? No
Tatum? No
Wemby? No
Then you have Curry/Durant/AD
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:49 am to jamal
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But like Bunchie said, you do it in the offseason and you receive a MASSIVE haul. I think that’s where the disconnect is coming from.
The disconnect is his choice to try to win now instead of do a "rebuilding" haul. As I've said, that's suboptimal and is more than likely going to lead to a lesser result, but people are caught up in the moment a bit.
The other issue is with the double apron, you have 0 flexibility on the supermax.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Jokic? No
Giannis? No (which allegedly happened)
SGA? No
Tatum? No
Wemby? No
I already said Jokic and SGA. I love Giannis but they could have gotten him. Giannis has been linked to many trades and he hasn't really shut down any notion of not wanting to be traded. Boston would have gave up Tatum. I agree Wemby would have been a no.
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Then you have Curry/Durant/AD
Already said Curry just out of loyalty. Durant 100% would have been shipped out.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:56 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I love Giannis but they could have gotten him.
Word was MIL said no
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Boston would have gave up Tatum.
No way. Tatum is a better overall player.
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Durant 100% would have been shipped out.
Then they have to deal Booker too, but Durant/AD are like right next to each other so this gap in value doesn't really exist.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:22 pm to Carson123987
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Waldo Graham Schwake-Eulenberg's segment on Roaro Kleibenschnott's show
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:26 pm to goldennugget
So you dont like strong white males.
Some folks get it.
Some folks get it.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The disconnect is his choice to try to win now instead of do a "rebuilding" haul.
You don’t have to rebuild when you have a 7 time All NBA 25 year old that’s already been to the conference and NBA Finals.
This is fricking retarded
Posted on 2/4/25 at 1:04 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Exactly. If you are making a “win now” trade that makes your team worse in the short term (that nobody is forcing you to make), you just shouldn’t make the trade
The issue to me isn’t that they prioritized a certain type of trade over another, it’s that they felt the need to trade him at all
The issue to me isn’t that they prioritized a certain type of trade over another, it’s that they felt the need to trade him at all
Posted on 2/4/25 at 1:06 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Exactly. If you are making a “win now” trade that makes your team worse in the short term
Maybe, and it’s a huge maybe, they’re better this year with AD playing with Kyrie and their other bigs. That could at least be debated.
But it’s entirely possible AD is out of the league or playing 40 games a year as a tenth of the asset he is now when Luka is 28-29 on his prime, and you swapped them for what is essentially straight up.
I can’t even put into words how unbelievable that is.
If you are Nico and just totally out on the Luka experience for whatever reason, you trade him for Giannis, Tatum, or so many assets it becomes unbelievable the other way. Like Castle and Vassell and every single pick SA owns for the next decade. Even doing that I still don’t see how you win the PR battle, but at least it makes some long term sense
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 1:24 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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you trade him for Giannis, Tatum
Neither of their teams would trade either for Luka
Posted on 2/4/25 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Neither of their teams would trade either for Luka
So you just let him go for 25 cents on the dollar for 31 year old AD and YOU have to throw in a second round pick to sweeten the pot?
It’s asinine. Worst case you don’t get a deal done before the deadline. He’s a 7 time all nba player, some team will talk themselves into trading for him (as they should) by the summer
Honestly a fireable offense by Nico
Posted on 2/4/25 at 1:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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So you just let him go for 25 cents on the dollar for 31 year old AD
This is the hyperbole
It's more like 85 cents on the dollar. Even when we run down the list, other than being the type of player he was looking for, AD is like the next best guy they could have gotten. There aren't many guys between Luka and AD and people keep trying to make AD like a 25-30 guy.
And he has a reason for okay the premium. That argument may not be correct but it wasn't just random subterfuge or a conspiracy . There is a solid chance (not more likely than not but probably not far under that 50% threshold) that this version of the Mavs goes further in the playoffs than the Luka version of the Lakers.
The rebuilding trade is the godfather one that everyone keeps referencing involving 10 first round draft picks, etc. In one of those trades he's not getting a top 7-9 guy like AD. That was his goal. I imagine if they had not just signed Klay in the offseason that would be an appealing option, but if they make that trade they basically have to blow up their entire team and become terrible, too late to tank this year.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:06 pm to wildtigercat93
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Never been more sure that the broad populace opinion here on this will be proven right by history than after reading this post
Amen
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Even when we run down the list, other than being the type of player he was looking for, AD is like the next best guy they could have gotten.
Yeah and he’s a bout a quarter of the asset Luka is. I don’t think Max Christie and one pick during Luka’s prime really move that up.
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There is a solid chance (not more likely than not but probably not far under that 50% threshold) that this version of the Mavs goes further in the playoffs than the Luka version of the Lakers.
This is idiotic for several reasons
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In one of those trades he's not getting a top 7-9 guy like AD
Trades 3 for 7-9 straight up for no reason. Makes sense
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if they make that trade they basically have to blow up their entire team and become terrible, too late to tank this year.
If they trade for Castle and Vassell, for example, they’re still a play in team at worst. There’s no realistic scenario where they suck. And there’s several realistic scenarios in which they are no better or worse with this trade. This year, next year, and 5 years from now.
I know you get your rocks off to playing contrarian, but there’s just no way you can defend this. It doesn’t make even 1% of sense
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:25 pm to Stidham8
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Dallas dumped him because he’s ballooned to the 260-270lb range and he’s most effective when he’s at 240.
This was their excuse to do the inexcusable.
He could be 300lbs like Shaq, who cares? If he is producing as the Leagues offensive juggernaut.
Gambling, politics, profit long-term. I'm in camp, this was not remotely a basketball move because its ridiculous.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Word was MIL said no
Not saying this is true but not sure I believe it anyway. No way Milwaukee just shuts that conversation down with one call.
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No way. Tatum is a better overall player.
I agree. The majority of the population disagrees. Boston was in limbo before Tatum and Brown figured it out on which one of the two was the better asset going forward out of Tatum and Brown. They would have dealt him for Luka.
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but Durant/AD are like right next to each other so this gap in value doesn't really exist.
Right next to each other in what? AD is a more valuable asset than KD. Suns would have shipped KD off immediately for Luka if they had the chance. The Suns gave up Mikal Bridges and 5 firsts for a 34 year old Durant. You don't think they'd value current Luka over a 34 year old Durant?
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:56 pm to DallasTiger
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WTF
Apparently these are real people on NPR in Seattle. IDK how much they actually know about basketball, though. Seems more like they'd talk about heteronormativity as it relates to the Hegelian Dialectic or some shite like that
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