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re: How underrated is Joey Votto?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:22 pm to Tigerfan56
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:22 pm to Tigerfan56
I said last year he was one of the best 5 position players in baseball and one ignorant soul actually chided me and made fun of the notion. For me there is no doubt and I'd say I might even be shortchanging him there. Top 3 might be closer to the truth.
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:24 pm to Tigerfan56
He's got the best hands since bonds
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:35 pm to Lester Earl
Sheffield had better hands than Bonds
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:39 am to reddman
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His nickname is Vottomatic, fwiw.
not really
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:48 am to Paul Allen
Fine.
Bonds, Sheffield and Votto.
Greatness.
Bonds, Sheffield and Votto.
Greatness.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:05 am to The Seaward
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People argued he should have focused more on driving in runners with RISP, instead of just getting on base.
I don't agree with the argument.
That argument still doesn't make sense because Votto has a career .333 batting average and 1.073 OPS with runners in scoring position. The main reason why Votto has low RBI totals is that the guys who have hit in front of him such as Zack Cozart, Drew Stubbs, Billy Hamilton and Jose Peraza have career OBPs barely above .300. It's hard to drive in runs when nobody in front of you is getting on.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 4:45 pm to Bench McElroy
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The main reason why Votto has low RBI totals is that the guys who have hit in front of him such as Zack Cozart, Drew Stubbs, Billy Hamilton and Jose Peraza have career OBPs barely above .300. It's hard to drive in runs when nobody in front of you is getting on.
Somehow he has 123 RBI in his last 162 games.
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These are Vottos numbers in his last 162 games
.348/.450/.635
.446 wOBA
177 wRC+
37 2B
41 HR
123 RBI
swinging at more pitches in the zone from what i read. Hmmmm
Posted on 7/20/17 at 4:53 pm to Lester Earl
Or people are giving him more pitches to hit now because Duvall and Schebler are producing behind him. There was a few year period there where pitchers would just put him on first because everyone behind him sucked.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 4:58 pm to reddman
his swing% is up on pitches in the zone. He's simply swinging more at these pitches. Though i agree his protection is better this year
Posted on 7/20/17 at 5:46 pm to Lester Earl
Zack Cozart got good and 41 of the RBI's came from himself. Those two things add up.
That power spike is probably his biggest since 2010 (MVP season).
That power spike is probably his biggest since 2010 (MVP season).
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:21 pm to cubsfan5150
Very very good player but not great
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:24 pm to VerlanderBEAST
He's probably two or three more years away from being a HOFer. That's pretty great. His peak is .1 WAR off of HOF level, he'll probably take care of that this year, and is only 14 WAR from reaching the career threshold
He's pretty great
He's pretty great
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:30 pm to WestCoastAg
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He's probably two or three more years away from being a HOFer. That's pretty great. His peak is .1 WAR off of HOF level, he'll probably take care of that this year, and is only 14 WAR from reaching the career threshold
He's pretty great
To be great as a 1B with average fielding you have to be an insanely great hitter not just an excellent one IMO
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:31 pm to VerlanderBEAST
He is an insanely great hitter
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:35 pm to WestCoastAg
Votto is the best pure hitter since Gwynn
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:36 pm to GynoSandberg
He's had like what? 4 infield pop ups over the last 5 years?
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:38 pm to WestCoastAg
yeah he's pretty fricking amazing.
cozart sucks IMO
cozart sucks IMO
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:42 pm to Tigerfan56
I didn't realize his career avg is .312 until I looked it up for another thread.
Like someone else said people who know baseball know how good he is but he doesn't get 51 WAR in 10.5 years publicity.
odd that he is ofer in the AllStar game but he usually doesn't start so he faces great closers a lotI bet
Like someone else said people who know baseball know how good he is but he doesn't get 51 WAR in 10.5 years publicity.
odd that he is ofer in the AllStar game but he usually doesn't start so he faces great closers a lotI bet
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:46 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Maybe in a universe where Mauer Ichiro and Miggy don't exist
Votto is the best pure hitter since Gwynn
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:49 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Are you the baseball version of boomshockalocka?
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