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How much stock do you put in a coach who’s won at a previous spot
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:39 am
Basically how important is it to get a coach who knows how to win? For instance unc and Kansas both hires guys who were fired from there last job or pushed out but guys who at one time were consistently successful. While there are many flaws with both do you believe that since they’ve been apart of so many winning teams that they know how to win and will achieve that success at where they are now or were they carried by the program and athletes at the previous school?
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Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:53 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
FWIW, the only CFB HC to win a NC after being fired from a previous college HC job is Gene Stallings. The list of CFB coaches who were fired from previous gigs that went on to have great success is very, very short.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:01 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
It certainly helps. If a loser is telling the media he has a championship level QB, it doesn’t mean anything. If Saban, Meyer, or Jimbo is saying they have a championship level QB, I believe it.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:02 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
No stock at all.
- Joe Alleva
- Joe Alleva
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:03 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Pretty large stock
It’s why I’m not confident Muschamp will win much with us
It’s why I’m not confident Muschamp will win much with us
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:21 am to I Bleed Garnet
Very little. Don't pay a guy for what he has already done, pay him for what he is going to do. It's the same thing with players.
Count the rings hirings usually end up with you wildly overpaying for a guy one step into retirement while someone else enjoys the rings.
Count the rings hirings usually end up with you wildly overpaying for a guy one step into retirement while someone else enjoys the rings.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:25 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Basically how important is it to get a coach who knows how to win? For instance unc and Kansas both hires guys who were fired from there last job or pushed out but guys who at one time were consistently successful. While there are many flaws with both do you believe that since they’ve been apart of so many winning teams that they know how to win and will achieve that success at where they are now or were they carried by the program and athletes at the previous school?
Ehh I mean if you are going 7-5 at Rutgers it's different than going 7-5 at UGA. If you are making bowl games at a "bottom dweller" then I don't put too much stock into that.
For example, I think Pat Fitzgerald is a hell of a coach. He's 96-70 overall as a HC, but he's doing it at Northwestern with actual academic restrictions. He's won 9 games 3 of the last 4 years and got his team to the B1G title game last year. I would take him over a guy who was 10-2 annually at a powerhouse probably
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:28 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Different coaches have different strengths. A coach has to match up with what the program needs at that time.
I think in the case of Kansas and UNC, both coaches were hired to establish a culture, not because they're already in position to make some noise. I think the hires were good ones for that purpose. I don't think either program has any illusions that they're going to rise to national prominence under these guys. The hope would be that they're able to establish a new normal, a program full of players that at least have the expectation that they're going to compete. Les and Mack will get their guys to feel that way.
If you want to take a chance on a young coordinator that could grow into the next big thing, obviously you'd go in a different direction. It depends on what the program needs at that time.
I think in the case of Kansas and UNC, both coaches were hired to establish a culture, not because they're already in position to make some noise. I think the hires were good ones for that purpose. I don't think either program has any illusions that they're going to rise to national prominence under these guys. The hope would be that they're able to establish a new normal, a program full of players that at least have the expectation that they're going to compete. Les and Mack will get their guys to feel that way.
If you want to take a chance on a young coordinator that could grow into the next big thing, obviously you'd go in a different direction. It depends on what the program needs at that time.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:03 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Knowing how to create a culture is more important imo. Les at Kansas isn't going to win many games this year but he will be able to walk into that locker day 1 and say he was part of building Okie St into a contender then won a NC at LSU. That will get the players to buy into what he is selling way more than anything else.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 11:04 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Depends on what you're trying to do. Kansas getting Miles was good because he at least brings a culture of winning to the program.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 4:17 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
$75mil
Posted on 8/12/19 at 4:33 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I think it all depends on the program. For both Kansas and UNC, I think they were good hires especially Kansas.
Kansas hasn't won more than 3 games a year since 2009. They had to do something to bring some excitement. And Miles can maybe build them up to the point where their next hire can come in and have something to work with.
As for as UNC, they needed something to get the fans excited as well. And someone like Mack Brown can at least maybe get UNC in the conference title game to play Clemson.
Both coaches have at least been able to recruit. Or put together a good coaching staff that recruited well. And I think this is what a program needs. Someone to come in improve recruiting... Then after Miles is done, they can bring in someone young who is looking to build their own program..
Kansas hasn't won more than 3 games a year since 2009. They had to do something to bring some excitement. And Miles can maybe build them up to the point where their next hire can come in and have something to work with.
As for as UNC, they needed something to get the fans excited as well. And someone like Mack Brown can at least maybe get UNC in the conference title game to play Clemson.
Both coaches have at least been able to recruit. Or put together a good coaching staff that recruited well. And I think this is what a program needs. Someone to come in improve recruiting... Then after Miles is done, they can bring in someone young who is looking to build their own program..
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