re: How much longer until Dana Holgorsen is canned?

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This is what happens when you hire alcoholics to run a major program. 

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I know some people who attended the Kentucky Derby a few years back & DH was part of the group. From what I was told, had he not brought a "handler" there would have been multiple incidents.

We weren't good in the mid 2000s. In the current poll you have to go all the way to 16 and Memphis to find a team like those.

Agree to disagree, but lemme ask you this, whose fault is it that

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Your team sucked going into the game, and sucked coming out.

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Does that not fall on the head coach? It's been 5 years and he has yet to recruit competent qb. I didn't think it could get much worse than Paul Millard, but Skyler Howard is fricking terrible.

In five years he's recruited 4-5 players that are legitimate Big 12 caliber starters. Smallwood, Joseph, Alford, Kevin, and Dillon. Am I missing anyone? The rest are holdovers from the previous regime.

So his recruiting sucks and his coaching sucks. Time to move on.

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The challenges facing any potential hire are greater than at any other P5 school. No in-state talent (and I mean none), so they have to be able to go into the backyards of our local rivals (PA, MD, VA) and recruit like hell to steal some kids. And they have to be able to do that, while playing in a conference that is as awkward a fit as one could imagine, with an absolutely brutal travel schedule.

I don't know man. I am just sort of at a loss as to what the path forward is right now.

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You seem like a good fan, and I respect your passion for your school, same as I do for any other school's fan. The problem I have with other fan bases is when they don't respect my fan base, and incidents occur. I think by now, you see where I'm going with this.

I always liked and admired WVU, back before we played. I don't recall any fan-related incidents for the first game, played in Baton Rouge. The second game though, in Morgantown, West Virginia...

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4 LSU Fans Assaulted After WVU Game

According to the Morgantown Police Department, four Louisiana State University fans were assaulted following Saturday’s football game at West Virginia University.

It happened in the Purple Lot as the fans were leaving in their vehicle headed toward Route 705, police said in a news release. That’s when an unidentified person threw a rock through the open window of the victim’s car. When the driver asked a group of people standing nearby if they threw the rock, police say the group approached the car and assaulted the driver.

The Morgantown Police Department has identified the victims at Hannah Smith Mason, 32, of Cannonsburg, Pa., Nathan Glen Ray, 21, of Houston, Texas., and Goulas J. Lewis, 34, of Cannonsburg, Pa. Hannah Mason, Nathan Ray and Douglas Lewis all suffered minor injuries as a result of the incident. Marcus K. Mason, 30, of Cannonsburg, Pa., suffered substantial injuries as a result of this incident and was transported to Monongalia General Hospital in Morgantown and then transferred to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Marcus Mason underwent surgery and was released from the hospital Tuesday.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Morgantown Police Department at 304-284-7454 or the West Virginia University Police at 304-293-2677.

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WBOY.com

And before you say this was an isolated incident, I have to tell you that Auburn fans were warning us LSU fans about what to expect in Morgantown before that game.

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Talk to an Auburn fan who made the trip to Morgantown last year and you'll almost certainly hear a bad story. Many that made the trip say the fans were the worst they'd encountered in all their years of traveling to games. They were described as rude, classless and mean spirited.

"We took a bus to the stadium," said one fan. "When we arrived, the driver told us to walk this way, pointing his finger around the stadium. You don't want to go that way, they'll fight you," the driver continued. "And whatever you do, don't walk alone."

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SB Nation

When the SEC was exploring expansion, West Virginia was one of the possible targets. The presidents of both LSU and Auburn, acting on feedback from their respective fanbases, made sure that WVU would never receive an invite to the SEC.

Long story short, you have no one to blame but your own fan base for "playing in a conference that is as awkward a fit as one could imagine, with an absolutely brutal travel schedule."

Were there other reasons why WVU wasn't considered? Of course...it's a small state, doesn't bring a lot of TV sets, and the facilities for the most part would rank near the bottom of the conference.

But all that really didn't matter...the fan incidents alone were the deal-breaker. I say this not to be mean, but with hope that WVU fans like yourself will pass the message along.

Remember the old homily..."You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

Best of luck in the future.

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TigersOfGeauxld

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I am the first person to stand up and say our fan-base sucked arse, for a really, really long time. The negative reputation we had, which seemed to peak the late '00s, is mostly of our own doing. When this topic used to come up on some of the WVU boards I frequent, I was always quick to point out the fact that prior to the Big12 move, when as a fan-base we made a deliberate effort to clean up our act (and it seems to have worked, for the most part), I said I would never again bring friends who were fans of opposing teams to our stadium - I had one bad incident too many.

I led off with all of that so hopefully you won't just think I view the world through rose-colored glasses when I say our negative fan reputation probably ranked around #617 on the list of reasons why WVU didn't get an SEC invite. If you don't mind my asking, where did you hear that the administrations of LSU and Auburn took action to deny WVU consideration over how their fans were treated? Not saying that's not possible, but I will say you are the first person I have ever heard make that very specific claim, and I followed conference realignment pretty damn closely.

The LSU post-game incident was horrible, but from what I recall didn't it turn out that the perps were some mouth-breathers from out of town that had no affiliation with WVU, and weren't there for the game? They basically came looking for trouble, not to beat up visiting fans? And I hate to even go there, but the LSU incident WAS an isolated incident, in so far as someone actually got physically assaulted, or an incident escalated to where law enforcement needed to become involved.

And I am sorry, but that SB nation link was pure bullshite. The bus-driver anecdote where someone was warned to avoid certain areas around the stadium because fans might try to fight you....I've be warned of exactly that when visiting VT, MD, USF, and even as a neutral fan going to a PSU game. I was at the LSU game in Morgantown, and my family walked out of the stadium after the game with an older couple who were LSU fans. They claimed that they went to every LSU game, home and away, and had for many years. They told us they were "very pleasantly surprised" with how well they were treated during their time in and around the stadium (we specifically asked), and said that while they had heard some crude comments from some obviously drunk WVU fans, it was no worse than what they heard in every SEC stadium, including LSU's. Funny how that anecdotal evidence works, huh.....

Honestly, I hate even talking about this shite, because for a long time our rude and crude reputation was very well deserved. Like I said, I experienced it first hand trying to bring some friends from other schools to Morgantown back in the day. But I hate it when people bring this shite up, then act like the LSU incident, where people were actually physically assaulted, was and continues to be the norm for visiting fans at WVU.

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If we fired Bill Stewart for 9-3 seasons, Dana should be shitcanned yesterday. He's made 4-5 game losing streaks the norm at WVU

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age discrimination

why I lost respect for Bruce Feldman. He claims Dana is a better fit for the Miami job than Butch

acc's downfall was not taking wvu.

Holgorson is a good coach WVU would be stupid to fire him. Yeah they got unlucky with injuries this year but they are still on the right path.

Miami fans hated the 3-4 they will hate Tony gibsons 3-3-5. We want a attacking 4-3. Butch will groom Dorsey. Dana will be a poor mans Dennis Erickson