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re: How many championships did the Lakers give up by letting LBJ run shite
Posted on 4/20/22 at 4:02 am to cubsfan5150
Posted on 4/20/22 at 4:02 am to cubsfan5150
Right now the answer is the are +1 in titles no matter how you try to spin it. Bubble season or not they still got the ring, they banner is in the rafters.
Lakers organization was in a serious slump before hand. The players you have mentioned leaving don’t have rings without him (if they have one). Caruso everyone made fun of that entire title run season. Now it was so big he walked away, nice spin there. This board just hates everything Lebron/Lakers. So much so you are dying to keep starting threads about them when they are not even playing cause you miss them so bad in the playoffs. The truth is, Lakers won the trade with the Pelicans. Just get over it and move on. They got their ring for the trade and that was the goal. Pelicans still no title run. The more you bring them up on this board the more you prove how much that trade and title they got bothered you. So sad.
Lakers organization was in a serious slump before hand. The players you have mentioned leaving don’t have rings without him (if they have one). Caruso everyone made fun of that entire title run season. Now it was so big he walked away, nice spin there. This board just hates everything Lebron/Lakers. So much so you are dying to keep starting threads about them when they are not even playing cause you miss them so bad in the playoffs. The truth is, Lakers won the trade with the Pelicans. Just get over it and move on. They got their ring for the trade and that was the goal. Pelicans still no title run. The more you bring them up on this board the more you prove how much that trade and title they got bothered you. So sad.
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Posted on 4/20/22 at 4:15 am to LSUJuicer
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The truth is, Lakers won the trade with the Pelicans. Just get over it and move on. They got their ring for the trade and that was the goal. Pelicans still no title run.
The Pelicans pretty clearly won that trade. The stupidest title in major league sports history and nothing but getting trolled for the next 24-36 months with zero hope of true relevancy.
The Pelicans have only received like 60% to 85% of their trade assets so far and the key pieces they already got are just now starting to blossom.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 4:18 am
Posted on 4/20/22 at 6:51 am to cubsfan5150
The only thing they truly gave up was Brandon Ingram. Let's not pretend that Lonzo, Kuzma, and Hart are game changers.
Without the trade, the Lakers wouldn't have won the Bubble Ring. However I will concede they would be a better team this year, and potentially would be in the playoffs this year. The only question is could they win a ring with a LeBron clearly over the hump on the decline going forward.
Without the trade, the Lakers wouldn't have won the Bubble Ring. However I will concede they would be a better team this year, and potentially would be in the playoffs this year. The only question is could they win a ring with a LeBron clearly over the hump on the decline going forward.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 6:56 am to Ancient Astronaut
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Nobody will treat that ring seriously. In the nba not all rings are equal.
How does it compare to the ring the Pels got from the AD trade?
Genuinely curious
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:06 am to SirWinston
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The Pelicans pretty clearly won that trade. The stupidest title in major league sports history and nothing but getting trolled for the next 24-36 months with zero hope of true relevancy.
The Pelicans have only received like 60% to 85% of their trade assets so far and the key pieces they already got are just now starting to blossom.
Actual Results:
Lakers - 1 title (that you don’t count, just because)
Pelicans - nothing of significance, or relevance
Hypothetical future results as determined by you:
Lakers - zero hope of relevancy
Pelicans - they’ll get more pieces and trade assets so maybe they will come away with something from it
Clear cut winner - Pelicans
Love this board
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:08 am to LSUJuicer
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The truth is, Lakers won the trade with the Pelicans.
We're already making top-10 picks off the Lakers' picks they traded us and people said we won it in the past when it was assumed we MAY get one, top-10 pick from them...you know AFTER they got old and started falling apart
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:12 am to Tigerfan56
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How does it compare to the ring the Pels got from the AD trade?
Genuinely curious
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Actual Results:
Lakers - 1 title (that you don’t count, just because)
Pelicans - nothing of significance, or relevance
Hypothetical future results as determined by you:
Lakers - zero hope of relevancy
Pelicans - they’ll get more pieces and trade assets so maybe they will come away with something from it
Clear cut winner - Pelicans
The Lakers team already had the 2nd best player of all time and a supporting core. The Pelicans were a fringe playoff team b/c of AD's issues keeping them from being able to develop. Once you compare their relative rosters without AD (after he demanded a trade) and their expected futures (when AD literally destroyed any deal other than to LAL), then you have to look at where each team went.
The Pels got Ingram, who is an elite player, and have used the other assets to build a playoff team WITHOUT their best player. They are already picking top-10 picks with former Lakers assets and that trend looks to continue b/c the LAL roster is very suspect.
Look at where the teams were immediately before the trade and today. Pels are way up and LAL is proper fricked.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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We're already making top-10 picks off the Lakers' picks they traded us and people said we won it in the past when it was assumed we MAY get one, top-10 pick from them...you know AFTER they got old and started falling apart
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The Lakers already won a title when it was assumed by this board that they would be a disaster and not win anything
A Championship. The ultimate goal.
Discount it as much as you want, and it’s still worth 1000x more than anything the Pelicans have done since the trade
You could make the case that both teams benefitted from the trade. Lakers got what they wanted with a title. Pelicans got what they wanted with good draft picks and young assets.
But it’s complete homerism to say the Pelicans won a trade that resulted in 1 title for the Lakers and probably 0 for the Pelicans, at the end of the day.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Look at where the teams were immediately before the trade and today. Pels are way up and LAL is proper fricked.
I think it is undeniable that the Pelicans got a good return for AD. The Lakers also got a title that they wouldn’t have got without AD, though.
I see what you’re saying. I just don’t know how a team that makes a trade to win a title that they otherwise would not have, makes them a loser in the trade.
I think both teams got exactly what they wanted
ETA: We are way too quick to call the Lakers fricked. Just like this board did before they won the title
They were atrocious this year for sure. Lebron and AD are still probably top 10 NBA players when healthy. They certainly could be fricked, but things can change quickly with an NBA roster and if you have two elite players, you can fix an otherwise bad roster even quicker. I wouldn’t say it’s inevitable that they are a dumpster fire again next year.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 7:24 am
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:22 am to Tigerfan56
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The Lakers already won a title
They were close to winning a title. Their acquisition of AD was supposed to put them in the running for multiple titles and a possible mini-dynasty.
One bubble title is an extremely steep price to pay for a team that was already built. The problem on the Lakers' teams prior to the AD trade was LBJ's irrational hatred of young players, which is why he was fine sending all of them and picks to Nola.
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and it’s still worth 1000x more than anything the Pelicans have done since the trade
This is the NBA. It's a near 0% chance the Pelicans ever have a chance to win a title b/c that's how the league is built.
The Lakers are one of the bedrock franchises of the league that the NBA bends over to help. They also are the literal premier market for NBA stars and get them at discounts. Championships are expected and missing the playoffs in a non-rebuilding year is terrible.
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But it’s complete homerism to say the Pelicans won a trade that resulted in 1 title for the Lakers and probably 0 for the Pelicans, at the end of the day.
No. It's realism.
Your comparison pretends that NOP and LAL are on an even playing field when that's ridiculous.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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They were close to winning a title. Their acquisition of AD was supposed to put them in the running for multiple titles and a possible mini-dynasty.
The year before AD they missed the playoffs. Lebron was hurt, but before he went down they were like a 6 seed in the West.
They were still one elite player away.
If we use hindsight, it’s easy to say they could’ve waited and tried to snag a FA the next year without giving up assets. But Lebron was aging. We know now he is still elite 3 years later but at the time it wasn’t unreasonable for the Lakers to think they had 1 maybe 2 more years before he fell off a cliff.
But I do get what you’re saying. I think I’ve come around to the notion that both teams won. If you want to say the Pelicans got the better return, that’s fine.
Most of my contention is for the people who think this trade was a disaster for LAL. There’s no world in which that is a reasonable take
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:36 am to Tigerfan56
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If we use hindsight, it’s easy to say they could’ve waited and tried to snag a FA the next year without giving up assets.
That's not the argument.
LAL gave up WAY too many assets for AD, a guy who LITERALLY tanked any deal to a team other than LAL. They were a team without competition for AD in a trade and paid like they had to beat 4-5 teams. That's the issue.
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Most of my contention is for the people who think this trade was a disaster for LAL.
If next year is anything like this year, it's going to hurt them...badly. Like they could be a shite team for a decade hurt.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 8:38 am to CovingtonTigre
They already had LeBron... You don't think LeBron and that young core would be competing for multiple titles?
Posted on 4/20/22 at 8:42 am to cubsfan5150
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They already had LeBron... You don't think LeBron and that young core would be competing for multiple titles?
It’s quite impressive how people forget how bad that young core looked when LeBron was injured at the time.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 8:48 am to c on z
Subtract about $40m worth of one player from any NBA roster and you generally see a major decline unless that player is Wall or Westbrick.
“Oh, the Bulls didn’t win a title while Jordan was playing baseball. Those guys suck!”
“Oh, the Bulls didn’t win a title while Jordan was playing baseball. Those guys suck!”
Posted on 4/20/22 at 9:03 am to cubsfan5150
Had they stuck together, this was the roster they had after the Russell trade.
Ball
Caldwell-Pope
Ingram
Randle
Lopez
with Kuzma, Hart, Nance, Caruso, Clarkson, and little Isaiah off the bench.
That's not a championship team, but man now that is a decent 11 man roster with a draft pick to fill in that 12th man (tho sadly they lost their lottery pick to PHX but still had a mid-20s pick).
To answer the question. Negative 1 championships* from 2018-2022 but potential for future championships with actual trade assets and a talented core.
Ball
Caldwell-Pope
Ingram
Randle
Lopez
with Kuzma, Hart, Nance, Caruso, Clarkson, and little Isaiah off the bench.
That's not a championship team, but man now that is a decent 11 man roster with a draft pick to fill in that 12th man (tho sadly they lost their lottery pick to PHX but still had a mid-20s pick).
To answer the question. Negative 1 championships* from 2018-2022 but potential for future championships with actual trade assets and a talented core.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/20/22 at 9:11 am to cubsfan5150
Idk but the goat show is 1/3 on ships so far. Not bad.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 9:13 am to cubsfan5150
The ‘Bubble Championship’ of 2020 does NOT COUNT.
It should always include an asterisk and never be included as a legit championship
It should always include an asterisk and never be included as a legit championship
Posted on 4/20/22 at 9:14 am to CovingtonTigre
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do the logic in your head. You'd have to make some pretty astounding leaps of logic to get a scenario where the Lakers have Ingram, Lonzo, Hart, Kuzma, and win a title.
So you didn’t see Brandon Ingram play this year
Posted on 4/20/22 at 9:14 am to c on z
So you're saying that those guys wouldn't develope with LeBron on the team?
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