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re: How far back in time would you send a modern CFB team?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 4:38 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 11/27/23 at 4:38 pm to Bench McElroy
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Serious answer is the mid '80s. The last team to make a Super Bowl with the majority of their offensive linemen weighing under 270 lbs was the 1987 Broncos. By the late '80s, a majority of the offensive linemen weighed well over 280 lbs with 275 being on the low end. And obviously by the early '90s, you had teams like the Cowboys with massive offensive linemen weighing over 300 lbs. I think the last Super Bowl winning team a college football team from today would have been able to beat would have been the 1987 Skins. Anything after that and I think they would be toast
I think this is about right, with the 2019 LSU Tigers vs. the 1985 Chicago Bears being the GOAT matchup between these two eras.
On one hand it's THAT BEARS defense, but on the other, one of the reasons the Bears never became a dynasty is that running the 46 as a main defensive set is a bit of a gimmick, and is pretty easily beaten by shotgun/3 receiver/3-5 step drops which teams figured out in due time, and would have played into Burrow/Chase/Jefferson's strengths.
And I say this being from Chicago....
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Posted on 11/27/23 at 5:16 pm to TheRouxGuru
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amar Chase and Marshall would have 4-5 inches and 40lbs on all of those old turds
They would also be playing under rules that would basically allow a defensive back to clothesline a receiver with no flag on the play. There were guys that tackled people by hitting them with forearm shivers back then. Have to remember players back then didn't care about their long term health and they certainly didn't care about anyone else on the field's long term health.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 7:51 pm to Tiger Prawn
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If its just one game, I'd say early-mid 90's
Not a frickin chance.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 7:58 pm to BRIllini07
Deacon Jones says hi and goodbye to your QB.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 8:54 pm to BigTigerJoe
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Deacon Jones says hi and goodbye to your QB
The gods will be gods no matter what, and I think the pass rushers would hold up well across eras.
But at Jones’ peak he was averaging nearly 2 sacks per game vs offensive lineman he outweighed by 20 lbs (he was 270, the average offensive lineman in the 60’s was 251).
Vs. A more modern elite college team he’s now giving up 30-50 lbs on the edge instead of having a 20lb advantage, and the other side of the D-line is giving up a lot more.
Jones can still be dominant, but 2023 LSU can just go “we’ll just run at the 240lb DT, 220lb DE, and 205lb LB on the the other side of the field, and Jayden Daniels is steamrolling whatever 5’8” 170” safety gets in his way.”
Posted on 11/27/23 at 8:56 pm to BRIllini07
There’s not a college or professional football team today that could play the game as it was played in the 1950-1980 time period.
Football today is pussified. Fact.
Brady would have been out of the league at 32.
Football today is pussified. Fact.
Brady would have been out of the league at 32.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 9:13 pm to Deplorableinohio
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There’s not a college or professional football team today that could play the game as it was played in the 1950-1980 time period. Football today is pussified. Fact. Brady would have been out of the league at 32.
So your answer is 1949 then?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 10:40 pm to BigTigerJoe
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Deacon Jones says hi and goodbye to your QB.
If Burrow and the Bengals time-traveled back to the 50s/60s, Joe's offensive line would have led to his death from someone in the Deacon Jones/Ray Nitschke/Chuck Bednarik/Dick Butkus ilk.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:14 pm to LSUGrad9295
If they were playing by the rules they played by back in the day these college boys wouldn’t survive a quarter. There were monsters playing back then and they would maul these kids and send them crying to momma.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:55 pm to LSUGrad9295
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If Burrow and the Bengals time-traveled back to the 50s/60s, Joe's offensive line would have led to his death from someone in the Deacon Jones/Ray Nitschke/Chuck Bednarik/Dick Butkus ilk
Would any OL/QB from that era hold up to a 240 pound LB like Patrick Willis/Devin White who runs a 4.45? Especially when their DT’s are 300-330# and run a 4.9/5.0 40 years dash, going against a OL that’s probably 250#s at center and 270#s at tackle. Not to mention the progress in strength training/supplements/nutrition.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:30 am to BRIllini07
The 1950s-1960s College All-Stars were competitive with the NFL Pros.
The Chicago All-Star game pitted the College guys against the NFL Champion.
The College kids beat the 1963 Green Bay Packers.
The MVP of the game was Ron Vander Kelen of Wisconsin (who was also MVP of the Rose Bowl in a losing effort against #1 USC). He was not drafted in the NFL draft but went to the AFL and never started in a regular season game before playing in Canada.
The Chicago All-Star game pitted the College guys against the NFL Champion.
The College kids beat the 1963 Green Bay Packers.
The MVP of the game was Ron Vander Kelen of Wisconsin (who was also MVP of the Rose Bowl in a losing effort against #1 USC). He was not drafted in the NFL draft but went to the AFL and never started in a regular season game before playing in Canada.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 12:31 am
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:34 am to BRIllini07
I would to go back to 1975 and later.
As I remember, there weren't a whole lot of passers at those times who could through really accurate balls and the passing offenses were not that sophisticated.
What you usually had was a whole lot of balls that were no where near a receiver bouncing off the turf and a whole lot of receivers trying to catch balls with their bodies (no sticky gloves, either) and having them bounce off massive shoulder pads.
An absolutely great game for a QB might have been 13/26, 1int, 210yds, and 2 TDs - and would have been considered 'pass happy' at that.
Todays CFB passing schemes, timing patterns, and QB accuracy would eat NFL defenses of those days alive...
As I remember, there weren't a whole lot of passers at those times who could through really accurate balls and the passing offenses were not that sophisticated.
What you usually had was a whole lot of balls that were no where near a receiver bouncing off the turf and a whole lot of receivers trying to catch balls with their bodies (no sticky gloves, either) and having them bounce off massive shoulder pads.
An absolutely great game for a QB might have been 13/26, 1int, 210yds, and 2 TDs - and would have been considered 'pass happy' at that.
Todays CFB passing schemes, timing patterns, and QB accuracy would eat NFL defenses of those days alive...
Posted on 11/28/23 at 4:19 pm to SoggyBottomBaw
[Quote] As I remember, there weren't a whole lot of passers at those times who could through really accurate balls and the passing offenses were not that sophisticated. [/quote]
There was also a belief that a pass HAD to come out of play action that persisted until the West Coast Offense gained popularity in the mid-late 80’s. (Or the run and shoot if you were Houston/Detroit).
That would give someone like 2022 Jalen Carter an extra second or so to split the gap between a couple of 250lb lineman or straight bull rush the center and wreak havoc in the backfield.
There was also a belief that a pass HAD to come out of play action that persisted until the West Coast Offense gained popularity in the mid-late 80’s. (Or the run and shoot if you were Houston/Detroit).
That would give someone like 2022 Jalen Carter an extra second or so to split the gap between a couple of 250lb lineman or straight bull rush the center and wreak havoc in the backfield.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:14 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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Late 70’s
No way any college team competes with NFL teams from the 70s. Complete arse kicking. Dolphins/Steelers/Cowboys/Raiders/Vikings/Browns/Oilers/Rams
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:21 pm to BRIllini07
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That would give someone like 2022 Jalen Carter an extra second or so to split the gap between a couple of 250lb lineman or straight bull rush the center and wreak havoc in the backfield.
The OL could legally chop block him on every play while he was engaged with an offensive player though. I think that wasn't made a penalty until the 90's
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:23 pm to BRIllini07
Useless thread.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:31 pm to BRIllini07
The 1960s
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:37 pm to dukke v
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Useless thread
Thank you for your input, but I find it a more fun discussion than the “could the NCAA champion beat the worst team in the NFL” threads that pop up both here and elsewhere 5 times per year.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:40 pm to BRIllini07
Well right now the worst NFL team is quarterbacked by 22 y.o. Bryce Young… a college team definitely has a chance against him
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/28/23 at 5:42 pm to BRIllini07
Ok. The 1971 Nebraska cornhuskers could have beaten the 1969 Pittsburgh Steelers.
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