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re: Here's the definition of a 'game manager'
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:37 pm to shel311
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:37 pm to shel311
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They're especially ridiculous when you realize he's 4th in the NFL in YPA last season and the season before, his 1st 2 seasons in the league. That's the opposite of "don't mess it up", that's go out and make plays numbers
You are analyzing the numbers from the wrong perspective. He throws it alot less. Of course his YPA will be more. YPA tells you basically nothing in this argument. If Brees' Att/Gm went donw by 10, what do you think would happen to his YPA? They would frickin go up. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing.
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:39 pm to LosLobos111
I cannot believe we're having this conversation
his yards are low because his attempts are low, he has one of if not the best (at least most consistently awesome) runningback in football, an elite run blocking line, and no elite wide receivers
his QB rating and yards per attempt (moreso) tell the story
he's an elite quarterback
his yards are low because his attempts are low, he has one of if not the best (at least most consistently awesome) runningback in football, an elite run blocking line, and no elite wide receivers
his QB rating and yards per attempt (moreso) tell the story
he's an elite quarterback
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:39 pm to dnm3305
I think this topic is dumb fwiw.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:39 pm to dnm3305
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If Brees' Att/Gm went donw by 10, what do you think would happen to his YPA? They would frickin go up.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:39 pm to dnm3305
quote:ummmmmm, you realize his yards would also go down right? So the average would prolly stay the same
If Brees' Att/Gm went donw by 10, what do you think would happen to his YPA? They would frickin go up
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:40 pm to dnm3305
quote:Reasoning?
He throws it alot less. Of course his YPA will be more.
quote:lol what?
If Brees' Att/Gm went donw by 10, what do you think would happen to his YPA?
ETA: I don't think we ever got your opinion about the Seahawks asking Russell Wilson to do more than the Packers ask of Rodgers, this season. What does that make Rodgers?
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:41 pm to dnm3305
quote:
If Brees' Att/Gm went donw by 10, what do you think would happen to his YPA? They would frickin go up. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing.
Based on what
I don't think you understand how percentages or averages work.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:41 pm to boom roasted
quote:Apparently, we have to assume all of Drew's 10 attempts we take off the board are incompletions
lol what?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:42 pm to lsupride87
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ummmmmm, you realize his yards would also go down right? So the average would prolly stay the same
Ummmmmmmmm, his number of attempts wouldnt be so diluted with incompletions. Many times they use the short passing game as the running game. He would play in a more efficient offense like the Seahawks do and would throw much higher percentage throws like the Seahawks do many times off of play action.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:42 pm to TDawg1313
Hardly anyone does these days.
As a statistics lover it hurts.
As a statistics lover it hurts.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:42 pm to dnm3305
quote:That is a shite ton to assume
Ummmmmmmmm, his number of attempts wouldnt be so diluted with incompletions. Many times they use the short passing game as the running game. He would play in a more efficient offense like the Seahawks do and would throw much higher percentage throws like the Seahawks do many times off of play action.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:43 pm to DelU249
quote:For the record, to clarify my own take, I don't even think he's elite.
he's an elite quarterback
But he's certainly not a game manager either.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:43 pm to TDawg1313
the divisional playoff game against Atlanta is a great showcase of how good Russell Wilson is when the seahawks offense starts going pass heavy.
as it stands now they're almost always winning, and the score is always close
Not since his rookie year have the seahawks been in a position where they had to abandon the run game.
as it stands now they're almost always winning, and the score is always close
Not since his rookie year have the seahawks been in a position where they had to abandon the run game.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:43 pm to dnm3305
quote:lol
dnm3305
Keep it going. This is funny.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:44 pm to DelU249
quote:
his QB rating and yards per attempt (moreso) tell the story
quote:
his yards are low because his attempts are low,
His QB rating and yards per attempt are high, because his attempts are low. If he is asked to throw 35-40 times per game, they won't stay that high. They will regress towards whatever the mean is for a game manager that is suddenly asked to do too much with his arm.
quote:
he's an elite quarterback
Not right now he is not.Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:45 pm to saintforlife1
Drew Brees year 3 stats:
2003 San Diego 11–11 356–205 2,108 .576 11 15 68 21–178 67.5
YPG: 191.6
2003 San Diego 11–11 356–205 2,108 .576 11 15 68 21–178 67.5
YPG: 191.6
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:45 pm to dnm3305
quote:The Saints have a great running game this season, I'm pretty sure statistically speaking.
Ummmmmmmmm, his number of attempts wouldnt be so diluted with incompletions. Many times they use the short passing game as the running game. He would play in a more efficient offense like the Seahawks do and would throw much higher percentage throws like the Seahawks do many times off of play action.
Why don't they use the more efficient approach and throw much higher percentage passes, but just pass more, if it's that simple?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:46 pm to saintforlife1
quote:you can keep saying this but it has no basis in reality.
His QB rating and yards per attempt are high, because his attempts are low
If anything, you'd expect his YPA to be lower with all of the WR/TE screens they run. RW has one of the better deep balls in the league, elite arm strength, great accuracy and plays on an offense built to run the ball.
Kearse, Baldwin, Harvin...who is a #1 receiver on this team?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:47 pm to lsupride87
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So Aaron Rodgers and Wilson are game managers. I mean I dont agree with you but you are entitled to your opinion I guess
I'm just presenting the stats for people wanting a clear picture instead of arguing, "You're using the wrong stats!"
This is an opinionated topic that won't go anywhere. People argue Seattle's team is built off that defense and run game, so Wilson is just an above average QB. People will argue that Rodgers' has no defense/run game so he has to ball out to win.
Just some more stats for people:
In the past 3 years, Seattle has allowed 30ppg+ 4 times in 42 games. They have gone 0-4 in those 4 games. 100-124 (-24 net) 25.0ppg-31.0ppg
Wilson's stats in those 4 games:
144 attempts, 1115 yards, 7TDs, 3INTs
Per game stats:
36 attempts, 278.8 yards, 1.75 TDs, 0.75 INTs
In the past 3 years, Green Bay has allowed 30ppg+ 9 times in 34 games. They have gone 1-8 in those 9 games. 278-315 (-37 net) 30.9ppg-35.0ppg
Rodgers' stats in those 9 games:
360 attempts, 2629 yards, 19 TDs, 8 INTs
Per game stats:
40 attempts, 292.1 yards, 2.1TDs, 0.9 INTs
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:47 pm to shel311
Hopefully ingram will help. He looked really good before that injury.
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