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re: Has an air-raid/spread/hurry-up offense ever actually won anything of note?

Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:20 pm to
Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:20 pm to
Well you did say air raid/spread/hurry up offenses.
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:22 pm to
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I literally mention in the OP that the spread as a formation is the go-to for almost every football team that plays at a high level

The Patriots spread offense is nothing even remotely similar to Oregon's up-tempto zone spread or Baylor's offense.
so are you asking for spread, tempo, or air raid?

bc we've given examples of spreads that have won.
Posted by Parade Grounds
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:24 pm to
Eagles and Clemson ran spread , not exactly air raid though
Posted by dj30
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:27 pm to
Steve Spurrier?
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:36 pm to
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so are you asking for spread, tempo, or air raid?


A combination of the three.

Just offenses similar to Baylor with Briles and Oregon with Chip.

When I was with the Baylor program the offense had nothing under center and the goal was to get a play off as soon as possible following the previous one. Almost all of the passing plays featured vertical routes meant to create space beneath them or to hit over the top if they were determined to stop the underneath stuff. It worked solely because of whom we recruited to play WR, smaller faster WR's, like Tevin Reese. This is also why most Baylor WR's don't do anything in the NFL. We ran a lot of screens and verticals.

So looking back, it was obvious this scheme worked to an extent. Baylor was a top 10 team for a couple of years, but always dropped a game. Oregon back in the Kelly days were the same for the most part. There was always one game where their opponent would find a way to stop them or they ran into a defense that was too talented (LSU).

You can essentially run the same offense you would out of an I, single back, etc, out of a normal spread/pistol if you really wanted to and could be successful. The up-tempo, spread offenses like Oregon/Baylor are not similar. They heavily rely on space, ridiculous splits between lineman and width to be successful, which would be impossible to replicate under center.

So I may have confused you and likely others with what I meant
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 11:37 pm
Posted by Mr. Elvert
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:40 pm to
I knew what you meant baw
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:41 pm to
I can always count on you.
Posted by dawgdayafternoon
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:47 pm to
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A combination of the three.

Clemson in 2016 fits this criteria.

Air-raid: 92 pass attempts in 2 playoff games

Spread: primary run plays were read option and QB draw/power

Hurry-up: 1,220 snaps on the season (80+ per game)
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:49 pm to
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Clemson in 2016 fits this criteria.


I went and looked at their stats and yeah, that offense was pretty damn efficient


Posted by VinegarStrokes
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:54 pm to
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Obviously the spread is a go-to formation


the "spread" is not a formation. it's a scheme that spreads the defense along the line of scrimmage with several receivers and wide oline splits.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:55 pm to
Patriots basically used Air Raid / Spread / Hurry Up to win the SB in both 2014 and 2016.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:57 pm to
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The Patriots spread offense is nothing even remotely similar to Oregon's up-tempto zone spread or Baylor's offense.




You realize the Patriots were actually averaging more plays per minute than Oregon was for a couple of years there, right?
Posted by Mr. Elvert
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:05 am to
Bleed purple
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:06 am to
Clemson beat Bama with one
Posted by VinegarStrokes
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:31 am to
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You realize the Patriots were actually averaging more plays per minute than Oregon was for a couple of years there, right?


he's an idiot so he probably doesn't realize much of anything
Posted by weadjust
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:35 am to
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You are actually doing this thread and acting like the Patriots havent used the spread offense for years


In 2005 New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels met with Gators coach Urban Meyer and offensive coordinator Dan Mullen.

McDaniels said he was hoping to figure out how the Florida offense worked so he could implement some of the strategies in New England.

Mullen, now the head coach at Mississippi State, said McDaniels was particularly interested in Florida’s spread offense. He said he helped teach McDaniels how Florida quarterbacks were able to read the defense before the ball was snapped.

“I think what intrigued the Patriots,” Mullen said, “was the definition of the spread for us. Once you get the defense to declare as man before the play even happens, for the QB it’s easy.”

From there, the rest was history. The Patriots and QB Tom Brady embarked on one of the most dominant stretches in NFL history, something Mullen said he’s enjoyed watching — especially since he played a part in the team’s offensive progression.

“It was something fun to see on TV,” Mullen said. “You’d see a play, or see them create a matchup that we talked about—and they took it to another level.”

LINK

Posted by MidnightVibe
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:40 am to
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Has an air-raid/spread/hurry-up offense ever actually won anything of note?


Are you asking whether an air-raid offense has won something of note?

Or whether a hurry-up offense has won something of note?

Or whether a spread offense has won something of note?



At least two of the hree most certainly have.

You strike me as a fricking moron, btw.
Posted by MidnightVibe
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:42 am to
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Florida wasn’t running the spread neither was Auburn


Auburn was running tempo.


Also, tell us what the correct definition of "the spread" is, guy.
Posted by MidnightVibe
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:43 am to
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literally mention in the OP that the spread as a formation is the go-to for almost every football team that plays at a high level

The Patriots spread offense is nothing even remotely similar to Oregon's up-tempto zone spread or Baylor's offense




So then wtf are you asking? What are you alleging is a gimmick that doesn't work?
Posted by MidnightVibe
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:45 am to
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This isn't a take.



Oh, yeah it is. A comically terrible take.
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