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re: Has an air-raid/spread/hurry-up offense ever actually won anything of note?
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:20 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:20 am to Bunk Moreland
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I don't know football well enough to the understand technical definitions, but to me you have to first identify the type of "spread" when you talk about these things. To me, there are Rich Rod and Oregon uptempo run heavy attacks. Then, you have Wazzu air raids. Meyer and Gus with Cam seemed to have some type of power spread that can be balanced or run heavy.
way back when, mumme and leach created the air raid spread. this was late 90s UK and then OU (when they won their first title under stoops in 00)
around the same time, rich rod was developing the spread option attack. meyer was also developing his variant of it and it really took off at Utah in 2003 (04 was when they won a BCS bowl with Alex Smith). then RR had those amazing WV teams with pat white/slaton in the mid-00s and Meyer established his at UF around the same time
then you had the guys who kind of stole from these and added some of their own ideas. malzhan did a "power spread" using the spread option with a wing-T option concept. then Chip Kelly took this offense and added insane tempo to it (remember Dixon making UM look foolish in 2007?)
while this was going on, Leach was at TTech and his progeny went all over the place and added their own flair to his air raid. i made a thread about this a week or so ago (About his legacy). briles took that and added in a lot of power running and tempo. holgerson (i believe) created the RPO
now it's a hodge podge of all of the above
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Chris Ault father of the pistol formation TYFYS
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:23 am to S
back when CFB was still fun, i remember watching a random Syracuse game and they were trying to pioneer the pistol
they were DESTROYED all game. they weren't running any option and were trying to go more air raid and he pistol just gave the DEs the perfect angle to set up outside and speed rush
those Nevada/Kap teams showed everyone how to use the pistol
they were DESTROYED all game. they weren't running any option and were trying to go more air raid and he pistol just gave the DEs the perfect angle to set up outside and speed rush
those Nevada/Kap teams showed everyone how to use the pistol
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Is that when they had Greg Paulus at QB? 
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
That was a pretty good post. Although I think it’s impossible to point out who created the RPO. Tony Franklin, the Middle Tennessee OC claims he did, but guys were running RPO type concepts while he was doing it at Troy or wherever he was at
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:30 am to brg0320
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That was a pretty good post. Although I think it’s impossible to point out who created the RPO. Tony Franklin, the Middle Tennessee OC claims he did, but guys were running RPO type concepts while he was doing it at Troy or wherever he was at
He and Holgerson and Dykes are all real tight. Was probably a group thing, but yeah in real games I remember Holgerson first
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:31 am to McCaigBro69
What does “win shite” mean?
Oregon had, at the time, the most consecutive 10 win seasons as Alabama until they lost their QB vs TCU in 2015. During that span, they played for two Nattys, won the Rose Bowl vs WISC and also hung 59 on FSU in a playoff game. That FSU defense was LOADED with NFL talent. Jalen Ramsey, Derwin James etc etc
That’s just Oregon. Oklahoma, Clemson, Auburn 2013 and 2010, OSU 2014, etc all had great success running some variety of Spread/zone read/air raid/ etc
Alabama uses uses a tempo modified air raid offense. They just happen to run the ball very bery well too
Oregon had, at the time, the most consecutive 10 win seasons as Alabama until they lost their QB vs TCU in 2015. During that span, they played for two Nattys, won the Rose Bowl vs WISC and also hung 59 on FSU in a playoff game. That FSU defense was LOADED with NFL talent. Jalen Ramsey, Derwin James etc etc
That’s just Oregon. Oklahoma, Clemson, Auburn 2013 and 2010, OSU 2014, etc all had great success running some variety of Spread/zone read/air raid/ etc
Alabama uses uses a tempo modified air raid offense. They just happen to run the ball very bery well too
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:31 am to brg0320
I actually created the RPO in Madden 99 with the Broncos playbook (Mike Shanny GOAT) and that PA double cross from the gun where you could either take off w Elway, hit mccaffrey or Smith on a crosser, or flip it over to the RB after the playfake.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:40 am to brg0320
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Tony Franklin
GOAT "just fired" pic
Auburn fans were so happy when he was fired. little did they know it was Tubby's old cronies who sabotaged that year
Tony Franklin goes in the "MISC" folder for me, along with guys like Crowton. they were innovative and used multiple WRs but didn't really do anything novel and were kind of the first compilers. they're outliers
there is also that Eastern Illinois tree. Babers was very experienced with offense before he worked under Briles for a few years
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Used to get hype af when cbs would show Crowton’s RB usage chart in 2007.
Early downs? Hester
Power? Chuck tTruck
Big play/option? Keiland
Speed? Trindon
Shotgun/obvious pass pro situation? RICKY LEE MURPHY
Early downs? Hester
Power? Chuck tTruck
Big play/option? Keiland
Speed? Trindon
Shotgun/obvious pass pro situation? RICKY LEE MURPHY
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:45 am to S
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RICKY LEE MURPHY
the man Lester Earl once said had Reggie Bush talent
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Drip 2 hard mane!
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:38 am to McCaigBro69
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This is probably as close as I'm going to get. For whatever reason I didn't think of them, likely because I've never watched a lot of Clemson games.
For whatever reason, I don't really remember them being tempo based and/or a team whose success revolved entirely around the offensive scheme. For example, I don't recall them spreading the field as extreme as Baylor or Oregon did with offensive line splits and vertical routes.
I know they had a ton of weapons on those teams so they likely didn't need to, for whatever reason I just don't really remember thinking that offense was comparable to Oregon/Baylor/A&M in their heydays, but I could be totally wrong
If running 81 plays per game isn't uptempo, I don't know what is.
They ran what is referred too as a power spread. It's what Auburn ran when they won and what Ohio St ran when they won.
Baylor having no semblance of an offense was the only thing keeping them from winning. Outside of Bama and that ridiculously loaded FSU team in 2013, only spread offenses are even winning national championships now.
2008 UF
2010 Auburn
2014 Ohio St
2016 Clemson
Spread offenses that have been to the national championship during that time;
Oklahoma & UF 2008
Texas 2009
Oregon & Auburn 2010
Notre Dame 2012
Auburn 2013
Oregon & Ohio St 2014
Clemson 2015
Clemson 2016
Spread offenses that have been to the playoffs
Ohio St, Oregon 2014
Oklahoma, Clemson 2015
Oklahoma, Clemson, Washington 2016
Oklahoma, Clemson 2017
Oklahoma, Clemson, Notre Dame 2018
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:41 am to DownSouthCrawfish
And that auburn team was a spread team.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:43 am to TH03
basically OP doesn't know what he's asking for
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't think any of those teams would straight up be considered read option attacks though with the closest one being Florida.
They used it but there are primary passing teams that use west coast concepts but we don't call them west coast offenses. Oregon's entire plan of attack under chip was to use the read option in both their run and passing games.
They used it but there are primary passing teams that use west coast concepts but we don't call them west coast offenses. Oregon's entire plan of attack under chip was to use the read option in both their run and passing games.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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holgerson (i believe) created the RPO
Favre created the RPO at Green Bay
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:54 am to McCaigBro69
Auburn and Ohio St both ran a power spread when they won it. Oregon was an arse hair from beating Auburn too.
When you say “of note” I’d consider beating Bama at any point in the last decade pretty noteworthy. The vast majority of teams that have all ran tempo, fast paced spread concepts. It’s their Achilles heel.
When you say “of note” I’d consider beating Bama at any point in the last decade pretty noteworthy. The vast majority of teams that have all ran tempo, fast paced spread concepts. It’s their Achilles heel.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:56 am to sms151t
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Florida wasn’t running the spread neither was Auburn
Posted on 12/16/18 at 10:09 am to McCaigBro69
Clemson ran 90-something plays on offense. They used tempo
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