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re: Harden the 1st guard since Jordan in 87-88..
Posted on 3/26/14 at 1:54 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 3/26/14 at 1:54 pm to TigerinATL
Harden embraces contact. Evans does not.
Harden does things like hold the ball out when he goes up because he knows players will swipe down at it and hack him across the arms.
And they do, and he gets fouled.
He does some other things that I think are bad for the game... like on fast breaks he'll run into defenders when they are trying to get out of the way and the refs will call a foul on the defender. A smaller percentage of his free throws come from stuff like that, but I'm still not a fan of it.
Harden does things like hold the ball out when he goes up because he knows players will swipe down at it and hack him across the arms.
And they do, and he gets fouled.
He does some other things that I think are bad for the game... like on fast breaks he'll run into defenders when they are trying to get out of the way and the refs will call a foul on the defender. A smaller percentage of his free throws come from stuff like that, but I'm still not a fan of it.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Doesn't Durant lead the league in free throw attempts?
He wouldn't be nearly as effective either if the refs swallowed their whistles.
Kevin's Durant is probably the best pure shooter in the league not named Steph Curry. Try again.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:07 pm to Lester Earl
yes, master LE 
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:09 pm to okietiger
quote:Obviously. But he still heavily relies on free throws. He wouldn't score nearly as much if he didn't get calls.
Kevin's Durant is probably the best pure shooter in the league not named Steph Curry. Try again.
No different than Harden.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:10 pm to PrimeTime Money
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If OKC had any idea how good Harden was, there is no way in hell they would have let him go.
And done what instead? Traded Westbrook? Durant?
I believe and I'm sure the Thunder did as well that Durant-Westbrook-Harden wasn't going to win a championship. They rolled the dice with KD-Russ-Ibaka mixed in with catch shoot guys (Martin last year, Lamb/Butler this year) and put stock in their center of the future in Adams who has already been said by many to be one of the biggest steals of the draft.
I wish OKC had drafted Curry in that draft instead of Harden although you'd still have the same defensive issues with Curry as you would with Harden.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:13 pm to okietiger
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I don't think I've ever seen a Rockets fan on this board accept that Harden is a very poor defender.
I think most fans do accept it.
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Several have said Parsons is well on his way to becoming an elite player in this league.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone say this. A good #3 player? Yeah. Elite? Nope.
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And the overselling of the values of players such as Beverley, Lin, Jones, etc.
Not really. Asik is the only player who fits that description. I'd argue Morey feels the same way though or Asik would have been moved.
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One of my best friends has close to the front office and is employed by the Thunder. He's told me with 100% certainty that Harden will still be in a Thunder jersey if he was willing to play defense. They gladly would have maxed him if he had.
that is such bullshite. Even if they didn't want to resign him they could have not gotten trade raped. It's going to suck to be a Thunder fan in 5 years. Durant and Westbrook will be gone and you'll realize that your owner cheaped out and cost the team a ring. quote:
center of the future in Adams who has already been said by many to be one of the biggest steals of the draft
Wow, speaking of overvaluing players...
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:20 pm to okietiger
The Thunder would've likely won it all last year had the kept Harden.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:22 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Taking a higher fg% over a higher TS% is like choosing batting average over OBP.
Hits move runners. Walks/HBP are limited to pushing a runner one base over.
You still argue that Howard is better than AD, which is downright laughable.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:26 pm to ZTiger87
PrimeTime and ZTiger showing up to pretty much prove everything everybody says about Rocketards on this board.
Discredit things such as saying "Thunder value defense" and making hilarious statements based on absolutely nothing like "Durant and Westbrook will [for sure] be gone in 5 years".
Right on cue.
Discredit things such as saying "Thunder value defense" and making hilarious statements based on absolutely nothing like "Durant and Westbrook will [for sure] be gone in 5 years".
Right on cue.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:27 pm to Boomshockalocka
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The Thunder would've likely won it all last year had the kept Harden.
They were actually quite bit more efficient on the offensive end without him last year.
Can you guys please stop with all the supposed BS statements like this?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:29 pm to Boomshockalocka
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The Thunder would've likely won it all last year had the kept Harden.
Thank you Captain Hindsight. It was your dirty arse PG that knocked Westbrook out of the playoffs, so I guess that makes sense on some levels. 1) Probably don't pull that matchup without Harden on the Rockets. 2) Harden could have stepped in as a #2.
Having Westbrook not get hurt on a moronic play by Beverly probably has them going to the Finals.
I will, however, defend Harden some here. The advanced stats show that he's actually an above average defender.
Position
FGA
eFG%
FTA
iFG
Reb
Ast
T/O
Blk
PF
Pts
PER*
PG
169.4 .000 .0 0% .0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0 .0
SG
19.5 .466 4.2 20% 4.3 4.3 2.3 .3 4.3 21.7 13.2
SF
16.4 .435 2.6 17% 7.2 4.8 1.9 .8 4.8 17.0 13.0
Advanced stats of Harden's opponents when he's playing those positions per 48. the second number is eFG% and the last number is PER.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:29 pm to okietiger
quote:All BS. OKC got smoked in the trade even if they were looking to trade Harden.
And done what instead? Traded Westbrook? Durant?
I believe and I'm sure the Thunder did as well that Durant-Westbrook-Harden wasn't going to win a championship. They rolled the dice with KD-Russ-Ibaka mixed in with catch shoot guys (Martin last year, Lamb/Butler this year) and put stock in their center of the future in Adams who has already been said by many to be one of the biggest steals of the draft.
I wish OKC had drafted Curry in that draft instead of Harden although you'd still have the same defensive issues with Curry as you would with Harden.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:31 pm to okietiger
quote:Nothing I said was untrue.
PrimeTime and ZTiger showing up to pretty much prove everything everybody says about Rocketards on this board.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:33 pm to PrimeTime Money
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All BS
Based on what?
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OKC got smoked in the trade even if they were looking to trade Harden.
Congrats. This legitimately seems like the biggest victory on and off the court for Houston fans as the continue to bring it up. Shall we go ahead print the shirts?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:35 pm to okietiger
quote:I only brought it up because you did. You are acting like it all went to plan for OKC and pumping sunshine about the trade.
Congrats. This legitimately seems like the biggest victory on and off the court for Houston fans as the continue to bring it up. Shall we go ahead print the shirts?
I'm just telling you that you're full of shite.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:38 pm to ShamelessPel
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Hits move runners. Walks/HBP are limited to pushing a runner one base over.
I take it you don't follow baseball much. Or know much about statistics.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:41 pm to PrimeTime Money
Harden
Amazing talent
Amazing talent
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:41 pm to okietiger
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Discredit things such as saying "Thunder value defense" and making hilarious statements based on absolutely nothing like "Durant and Westbrook will [for sure] be gone in 5 years".
They value defense so much they traded for Kevin Martin
The Thunder didn't make a commitment to defense. They made a commitment to being cheap. quote:
They were actually quite bit more efficient on the offensive end without him last year.
You always throw this stat out when people talk about the Thunder being worse without Harden. It's rather hilarious. How is that team efficiency this year? If all Rockets fans are homers for defending their players, what are you for still defending the Harden trade?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:42 pm to PrimeTime Money
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You are acting like it all went to plan for OKC and pumping sunshine about the trade.
Nope. I've said plenty of times before that OKC drafted "too well". Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, hell even Durant all far surpassed their expectations. There wasn't room for them all.
A move had to be made. It was the best move OKC had. Hate to see a player of Harden's caliber go, but his game has some holes in it that Houston fans simply will never acknowledge. Instead they will merely regurgitate the same stuff over and over as you have in this thread of how much of a "trade rape" the deal was.
Again, OKC was better on offense last year without Harden. Won more games without him. It was the right move for both teams. Get over it.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:45 pm to ZTiger87
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They value defense so much they traded for Kevin Martin The Thunder didn't make a commitment to defense. They made a commitment to being cheap.
I have no idea I'm arguing with you guys on this. Kendrick Perkins and their loyalty to him blows this whole argument up. They pay him 9 million a year for defense when he easily could have been amnestied. And they "loved" Martin so much that they offered him significantly less than what he's making in Minnesota. They felt confident in their ability to replace him with Lamb and now Butler which they have.
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How is that team efficiency this year?
Oh you mean the year where Russell Westbrook has missed over half the season? That year? Yeah, let's go ahead and use this year as a baseline.
You guys are something else, I tell ya.
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