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re: Hall of Fame debate: Is Joey Votto worthy of the HOF?
Posted on 5/6/26 at 11:34 pm to MasterAbe1
Posted on 5/6/26 at 11:34 pm to MasterAbe1
He probably eventually gets in.
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 12:21 am to MasterAbe1
He will absolutely get in, and as much as I like him, he's no Hall of Famer. I'm sorry.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:15 am to MasterAbe1
quote:Nothing controversial, it’s objectively accurate. McGriff had him in HR power but Votto was the better overall hitter. And the difference in quality players hitting around him isn’t even close, Votto ends up a consensus Top 10 all time 1B if he has players like Justice/Grissom/Chipper, Gwynn, Bell/Barfield, or Boggs more consistently in scoring position or protecting him
Votto’s stats outweigh Fred McGriff (another controversial HOF take)
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 1:19 am
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:01 am to chalmetteowl
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Whoever said a walk was as good as a hit, couldn’t hit
Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle say “Hey.”
People bitched at Williams in his prime for walking so much, called him selfish because he wouldn’t swing at something out of the strike zone on the off chance that he might get a hit and “help his team.”
He did OK.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:03 am to chalmetteowl
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Whoever said a walk was as good as a hit, couldn’t hit…
Whatever you do, don’t look at the mlb career walk leaders list
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:16 am to AUFANATL
People who keep bitching about “The Hall of Very Good” are still using the criteria for Cooperstown that were in place when Joe and Tony were doing Game of the Week. Which should not be surprising because MLB has an ancient core fan base. (Full disclosure, I’m pushing 70.)
Votto is the poster boy for the kind of hitter that’s going to get in moving forward. Raw hit totals are irrelevant, you’re going to have to have some pop and a great on-base percentage.
As far as pitchers, there will never be another 300-game winner, 250-game winners are going to be a rarity and 200-game winners are going to be few and far between. So should Cooperstown shut the doors to pitchers because they don’t meet the HoF criteria of 50 or 60 years ago?
Votto is the poster boy for the kind of hitter that’s going to get in moving forward. Raw hit totals are irrelevant, you’re going to have to have some pop and a great on-base percentage.
As far as pitchers, there will never be another 300-game winner, 250-game winners are going to be a rarity and 200-game winners are going to be few and far between. So should Cooperstown shut the doors to pitchers because they don’t meet the HoF criteria of 50 or 60 years ago?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:27 am to chalmetteowl
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Whoever said a walk was as good as a hit, couldn’t hit…
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:04 am to MasterAbe1
he should have 2 MVPs fwiw and i will personally bet any poster saying no whatever amount of money they want that Joey Votto is a Hall of Famer at some point.
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