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Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:02 pm to Ostrich
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Moses Malone over Duncan? Lol alright
How is that lol? Study your history, son.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:33 pm to htran90
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all the superstars were spaced out
Lol
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:36 pm to mattz1122
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How is that lol? Study your history, son.
taking Moses over Duncan is silly.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:42 pm to RonBurgundy
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taking Moses over Duncan is silly.
Thank you
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:43 pm to SPEEDY
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Sorry, but Shaq wouldn't be able to knock Wilt around. It could be argued that Wilt would be the one doing the kicking around. Wilt was strong as hell
Knock it off with the jokes man
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:08 pm to RonBurgundy
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taking Moses over Duncan is silly.
if you judge a player for the body of their work rather than their peak then I'd agree Duncan>>Moses. But if you judge a player by how awesome he was at his peak there's an argument to be made for Moses. Granted I think Duncan is not really a statistics superstar so I think some of these comparisons sell his value short, but I think Moses is tremendously under-valued by younger posters especially.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:16 pm to RonBurgundy
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taking Moses over Duncan is silly.
No, no it's not.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:23 pm to mattz1122
I always want to see Elgin Baylor and Jerry West on these lists for top 5, but then I realize it is fruitless because those spots are locked up by Jordan and LBJ or Bird. Make the second best team ever is a little more fun.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:30 pm to Bench McElroy
Hakeem's starting 5 would skull frick MJ's
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:36 pm to molsusports
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you judge a player for the body of their work rather than their peak then I'd agree Duncan>>Moses.
Moses has more points, more rebounds, and more offensive boards (of course, he has more than anyone, ever). You can easily argue that Moses' career body of work is better, too. He even has the 3 to 2 MVP edge.
But his peak? My God. He took a Rockets team whose second best player was either Calvin Murphy or Robert Reid, and took them to the NBA Finals (which they lost to the Celtics in 6 games). He was essentially a one-man team and took a Celtics team that wasn't at its peak yet, but still stocked full of All-Stars and a few Hall of Famers, nearly to the brink.
And the 1983 playoffs? Just ridiculous.
And I think the world of Tim Duncan. I wouldn't argue with someone who prefers Duncan to Moses. It really does come down to preference. But to argue that it would be "silly" to take Moses? That's idiotic. I'd personally take Moses because he was a mean mo fo and I have a deep attachment to former ABA players. But Moses could flat out ball.
Just for fun, my former ABA players pickup team:
Artis Gilmore
Moses Malone
Connie Hawkins
Dr. J
George Gervin
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:41 pm to Baloo
i like how you don't hate Moses for spurning the Terps and going straight to pro ball 
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:46 pm to Pilot Tiger
One of the very first, if not the first to skip college and go straight pro. And if he does go to Maryland, the Terps win the national title in 1974. They lost to Thompson's NCSU team 103-100 in OT in the ACC title game, back when each conference only got one bid. NCSU won the national title.
But Lefty didn't pay as well as the ABA.
But Lefty didn't pay as well as the ABA.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:49 pm to Baloo
that NC state team was sick, Burlson was a fricking giant
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:53 pm to Baloo
I stand corrected
I thought I valued Malone more than most (enough to be defensible) but looking again, I still sold him short in the TD comparison. My only excuse is a lousy one since I was very young and not paying attention to basketball when Malone was at his peak.
What's worse? I think my argument was exactly wrong when I look again. I think you can argue TD between 2001 and 2005 had a period of sustained excellence at his peak that Malone might or might not have matched in any stretch. Your point stands tho - Malone's career numbers are probably just better than Duncan's
I thought I valued Malone more than most (enough to be defensible) but looking again, I still sold him short in the TD comparison. My only excuse is a lousy one since I was very young and not paying attention to basketball when Malone was at his peak.
What's worse? I think my argument was exactly wrong when I look again. I think you can argue TD between 2001 and 2005 had a period of sustained excellence at his peak that Malone might or might not have matched in any stretch. Your point stands tho - Malone's career numbers are probably just better than Duncan's
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:58 pm to Powerman
Posted on 11/22/13 at 7:43 pm to Old Money
Sh q never could defend the Dream Shake. No big could. Akeem made Robinson, in his MVP year, look silly. He did the same to Shaquille and dismantled him in the finals.
Akeem had size, but some were bigger. None, however, were quicker.
Akeem had size, but some were bigger. None, however, were quicker.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 7:54 pm to Old Money
Shaq in that 99-03 period was unfairly good. If there has ever been a player more valuable for a stretch of years I'd have to see it to believe it.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 8:09 pm to Jobu93
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He did the same to Shaquille and dismantled him in the finals.
He really didn't, Shaq's production in the post was not diminished by going up against Hakeem in the finals whereas Hakeem's efficiency was notably reduced in teh finals compared to earlier rounds of the playoffs.
I'm not hating on Hakeem. He was awesome. But he didn't dominate Shaq in that finals and Shaq was nowhere near his dominant peak.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 9:25 pm to mattz1122
Moses was great, but he can't touch Duncan now.
Moses:
1 Title
1 Finals MVP
3 NBA MVP
4 NBA 1st Team
4 NBA 2nd Team
1 All Defense 1st Team
1 All Defense 2nd Team
12 Time All Star
Duncan:
4 Titles
3 Finals MVP
2 NBA MVP
Rookie of the Year
All Star MVP
10 All NBA First Team
3 All NBA Second Team
1 All NBA Third Team
8 All NBA Defense 1st Team
6 All NBA Defense 2nd Team
Also, as great as Moses was in the '83 Finals run Duncan was just as good in '03. Duncan put up 37 and 15 in the Staples Center to end the Lakers' 3 Year Title run and Shaq and Kobe were in their prime. He had a Triple Double (and 20/20) in the clinching game of the Finals and was 2 blocks from a Quad Double. His overall stats are excellent but not as large as others because he has always been saved for the playoffs. The Spurs in the Duncan era have not only made the playoffs every season but only failed to reach the 2nd Round once when Duncan was playing.
He also isn't done yet and did 4 years in college, the last 2 of which he was best player in the NCAA.
Moses:
1 Title
1 Finals MVP
3 NBA MVP
4 NBA 1st Team
4 NBA 2nd Team
1 All Defense 1st Team
1 All Defense 2nd Team
12 Time All Star
Duncan:
4 Titles
3 Finals MVP
2 NBA MVP
Rookie of the Year
All Star MVP
10 All NBA First Team
3 All NBA Second Team
1 All NBA Third Team
8 All NBA Defense 1st Team
6 All NBA Defense 2nd Team
Also, as great as Moses was in the '83 Finals run Duncan was just as good in '03. Duncan put up 37 and 15 in the Staples Center to end the Lakers' 3 Year Title run and Shaq and Kobe were in their prime. He had a Triple Double (and 20/20) in the clinching game of the Finals and was 2 blocks from a Quad Double. His overall stats are excellent but not as large as others because he has always been saved for the playoffs. The Spurs in the Duncan era have not only made the playoffs every season but only failed to reach the 2nd Round once when Duncan was playing.
He also isn't done yet and did 4 years in college, the last 2 of which he was best player in the NCAA.
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