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re: Had Nick Saban stayed at Michigan St. would he have won a National Championship there?
Posted on 9/7/20 at 10:06 pm to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 9/7/20 at 10:06 pm to Tiger Ryno
His last season he did beat the heavyweights at MSU
He could have gotten them to playoffs if dantonio could
I think he realized if he could get into a more talent laden state or in the south he wouldn’t have to fight off Michigan and recruiting would be easier
He had state to himself at LSU and he finally showed LSU that if you kept the in state talent home you could win a national title
He could have gotten them to playoffs if dantonio could
I think he realized if he could get into a more talent laden state or in the south he wouldn’t have to fight off Michigan and recruiting would be easier
He had state to himself at LSU and he finally showed LSU that if you kept the in state talent home you could win a national title
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Posted on 9/7/20 at 10:12 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Dantonio made the CFP with Michigan State so why the hell wouldn’t Saban have been able to win a natty there.
Posted on 9/7/20 at 10:12 pm to Cannon
quote:
LSU made Nick Saban
Posted on 9/7/20 at 10:13 pm to nicholastiger
quote:how it took LSU 50 years to realize this is criminal and one of the biggest atrocities ever committed.
he finally showed LSU that if you kept the in state talent home you could win a national title
Posted on 9/7/20 at 10:52 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Possibly but Saban had a shitty administration that wasn't an issue under Dantonio
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:11 pm to SpartyGator
Dantonio was very good because both Penn State and Michigan imploded at the same time ( for different reasons obviously). If the same things happen and he holds on does he get to the title game, probably. But maybe in this alternative world Michigan doesn't Uber frick their AD with Rich Rod.
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:14 pm to Enzos Tiny Pito
Yes, Saban would've won a national championship at MSU. Saban is that good and Saban was putting a lot of MSU players in the NFL like Julian Peterson, TJ Duckett, Tony Banks who we forget was a 1st round QB, Muhsin Muhammad, Demetrius Underwood, Plaxico, etc.
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:15 pm to Shaft Williams
D'antonio was good at MSU but never had the talent that Saban brought there.
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:28 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
I believe he would have made inroads at recruiting through the Big 10, and like the other posters have shared, the state of the conference would have likely made his chance of success even greater. So yeah. I think he would have eventually won one there.
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:50 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
No.
3 different coaches have won a title at LSU recently. Its just at a different level of potential than MSU. Bama the same deal.
Hard for B1G teams to win it all. They have to build a little different. They have to have the brutes to handle the cold and beat a team like Iowa on the road in November. And they need the speed and skill to compete at the highest level in bowl games and good weather games.
No recruiting advantage in the North either with the weather and the lack of black athletes not interested in basketball.
Ron Dayne rolled thru Nick Sabans Spartan D when they met at Camp Randall during that 10-2 year.
I think Dantonio did a hell of a job there.
3 different coaches have won a title at LSU recently. Its just at a different level of potential than MSU. Bama the same deal.
Hard for B1G teams to win it all. They have to build a little different. They have to have the brutes to handle the cold and beat a team like Iowa on the road in November. And they need the speed and skill to compete at the highest level in bowl games and good weather games.
No recruiting advantage in the North either with the weather and the lack of black athletes not interested in basketball.
Ron Dayne rolled thru Nick Sabans Spartan D when they met at Camp Randall during that 10-2 year.
I think Dantonio did a hell of a job there.
Posted on 9/7/20 at 11:53 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Dantonio took MSU to bowls 12 of the last 13 years and made a CFP. It's not a stretch to say that Saban would probably have won one or more NC's over the past 21 seasons.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:52 am to Evolved Simian
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It's not a stretch to say that Saban would probably have won one or more NC's over the past 21 seasons.
How many Big10 teams won a National Title the last 30 years not named National brand Ohio State?
And it was a struggle for them let alone how it would be for Michigan State.
If like Meyer, Saban had won some national titles in the SEC and then used his cache in the Big10 maybe?
But even Myer had a tough road to hoe and that was at Ohio State where he had won big at Florida.
I don't think you can be a regular coach without winning big elsewhere and take a regular Big10 team without a big name to the National Title in the North.
Saban benefited greatly and became a great coach mining Louisiana talent.
Then he was a bum in the NFL and then became a super coach combining the South's talent and Alabama's name.
Let's not pretend that circumstances don't make the man.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 12:56 am
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:06 am to Evolved Simian
Saban was an average coach at MSU bases off of his record other than that last year where he went 9-2 and moved on to LSU. The ultimate question is was Coach Saban the same coach at LSU that he was at MSU and by working with better athletes it made him elite or did Coach Saban become a better coach overall and with better he became elite? In other words was he elite at MSU already and we didn't realize it because he didn't have the athletes or did he improve that much as a Coach at LSU plus having the athletes make him elite?
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:20 am to Rawanduncut
The Big10 has won 3 National Titles in the last 50 years.
And they were by Michigan and Ohio State. The leaders. Or the legends, idk, I'm confused.
The reason people think what D'Antonio has done is otherwordly is because it's so difficult. And even his success isn't some crazy 4-5 National Championships...like some poster said Saban would've won at Michigan State.
He won two Big10 Titles. Not two National Championships.
And they were by Michigan and Ohio State. The leaders. Or the legends, idk, I'm confused.
The reason people think what D'Antonio has done is otherwordly is because it's so difficult. And even his success isn't some crazy 4-5 National Championships...like some poster said Saban would've won at Michigan State.
He won two Big10 Titles. Not two National Championships.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 1:22 am
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:43 am to GeorgeTheGreek
No, I don't think so.
It's hard to imagine Michigan State beating any of the eventual champions. They weren't beating the early 2000s champions---Miami, Ohio State, USC, Texas. Then you start getting into a period where the SEC was its most dominant. I realize a big part of that dominance was a Nick Saban led Alabama but if Saban never goes to Bama I think that void just gets filled by LSU, Florida. Meyer might have kept it together at Florida if he didn't have Nick Saban in conference.
I just don't see where there was a window for Michigan State to win it all. I think the reference to Ferentz earlier in the thread is spot on.
It's hard to imagine Michigan State beating any of the eventual champions. They weren't beating the early 2000s champions---Miami, Ohio State, USC, Texas. Then you start getting into a period where the SEC was its most dominant. I realize a big part of that dominance was a Nick Saban led Alabama but if Saban never goes to Bama I think that void just gets filled by LSU, Florida. Meyer might have kept it together at Florida if he didn't have Nick Saban in conference.
I just don't see where there was a window for Michigan State to win it all. I think the reference to Ferentz earlier in the thread is spot on.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:54 am to Jorts R Us
Yeah...there you go.
You just can't count out USC's dominance during that period getting all the recruits that the Big10 hopes for and then the SEC's total dominance and say a Big10 team would win during that period...
Only the blue bloods in the North had access to that trophy and only one could do it.
I think if he left LSU to go back to Michigan State, maybe there's a possibility. But nobody was talking about Michigan State while he was there. Nick Saban came on the radar once he won with LSU.
You just can't count out USC's dominance during that period getting all the recruits that the Big10 hopes for and then the SEC's total dominance and say a Big10 team would win during that period...
Only the blue bloods in the North had access to that trophy and only one could do it.
I think if he left LSU to go back to Michigan State, maybe there's a possibility. But nobody was talking about Michigan State while he was there. Nick Saban came on the radar once he won with LSU.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 1:55 am
Posted on 9/8/20 at 3:42 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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LSU came on the radar once they won with Nick Saban .
FIFY
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:18 am to RD Dawg
Not a chance in hell. He didnt have the cache to ever out recruit Michigan and Ohio St.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:22 am to RD Dawg
quote:LSU was always a talent-rich program run like shite, similar to Georgia in a lot of ways. Saban tightened everything up, and the program began running like it could.quote:
LSU came on the radar once they won with Nick Saban .
FIFY
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:51 am to GeorgeTheGreek
No
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