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re: Greatest What If NBA Player
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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if we can include hill, we can include TMac imho
i guess you can, but we witnessed T-Mac's rise, apex and rapid decline due to poor conditioning. The rap on McGrady is that basketball came too easy to him. Thus him being out of shape for most of his prime.
Hill is clearly a different case. You saw the start of his prime and then the rest was taken away on a fluke injury, then you see him again reinvent himself as a role player. The reason he has lasted this long is because he is in incredible shape.
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Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:16 am to RonBurgundy
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The reason he has lasted this long is because he is in incredible shape.
and the magical suns training staff
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:24 am to mattz1122
quote:I Kige this. I thought the Rockets would win multiple titles with him and Olajuwon. But his knees and the drug suspensions of the two guards (Mitchell Wiggins and Lewis Lloyd) blew that up.
Ralph Sampson is a good one. The guy was 7'4 and could run the floor like a gazelle and dribble like a guard. The league has never seen anything like him. He showed what he could do early in his career -- can you imagine if he and Hakeem had matured together? And with the guards they had (before the coke suspensions).
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:45 am to Baloo
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If we're bringing in international players born at the wrong time: Oscar Schmidt. Leading scorer in basketball history. Never played in the NBA.
I remember him. Dude was deadly from the outside.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:46 am to saintsfan22
Grant Hill is a great pick. Terrible how injuries crippled his career.
Can't forget The Playground Legend- Herman the Helicopter
Fell into drugs and never made it past the playgrounds.
Can't forget The Playground Legend- Herman the Helicopter
Fell into drugs and never made it past the playgrounds.
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/15/12 at 11:57 am to Baloo
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If we're bringing in international players born at the wrong time: Oscar Schmidt. Leading scorer in basketball history. Never played in the NBA.
I don't see it. Schmidt was smaller and less athletic than a Reggie Miller.
He would have been a 2/3 tweener, like Petrovic.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:01 pm to Sheep
Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:50 pm to PortCityTiger24
I have to say Larry Johnson. Before the back injury, he was poised to take over as the best player in the league..
Here is a great thread on the same topic.. LINK
I forgot how great D. Coleman was supposed to be..
Here is a great thread on the same topic.. LINK
I forgot how great D. Coleman was supposed to be..
Posted on 11/15/12 at 12:54 pm to Sheep
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The ACTUAL correct answer is Arvydas Sabonis.
7-4 center that could run the floor, shoot (with range) and pass.
He finally came over 12 years after being drafted, and without knees, and was still a very good player.
He would be a top 5 center of all time.
NO DOUBT
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:06 pm to TheCaterpillar
Kareem said that the best player he ever saw was this guy.
Earl "The Goat" Manigault
Earl "The Goat" Manigault
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:06 pm to TheCaterpillar
Yao is being over looked. Top 5 skillset all time for a center.
Even when healthy he was held back for fear of injury. He played at a time where there was a pretty nice lull for big men in the league.
Even when healthy he was held back for fear of injury. He played at a time where there was a pretty nice lull for big men in the league.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:10 pm to Baloo
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If we're bringing in international players born at the wrong time: Oscar Schmidt. Leading scorer in basketball history. Never played in the NBA.
I would put Sabonis over him because we saw that Sabonis was an NBA All Star even though it was clear that he was at the end of his career.
Because we don't know what Schmidt would have done in the NBA (yes, we saw him in the Olympics, but that's a bit different), whereas with Sabonis we saw him against the best of the best and he acquitted himself well, even at the twilight of his career.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Yao is being over looked. Top 5 skillset all time for a center.
I agree, but Yao did not have the lateral quickness to be elite defensively. Stamina was also an issue, as 07-08 was the only year he played over 35 mins a game. He was good, but there are more special players mentioned in this thread.
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:20 pm to Sheep
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The ACTUAL correct answer is Arvydas Sabonis.
7-4 center that could run the floor, shoot (with range) and pass.
He finally came over 12 years after being drafted, and without knees, and was still a very good player.
Agree with this. He sacrificed a lot of his best years to the Soviet national team.
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:31 pm to Robot Santa
Walter Berry from St. Johns was supposed to be a beast. A PLAYGROUND LEGEND from NYC.
But the obvious answer is LEN BIAS. The dude was a BEAST. He could do things that LEBRON could not do and was BIGGER. SHAME.
But the obvious answer is LEN BIAS. The dude was a BEAST. He could do things that LEBRON could not do and was BIGGER. SHAME.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:50 pm to Robot Santa
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Agree with this. He sacrificed a lot of his best years to the Soviet national team.
sabonis still wasnt that old when he came over to the US. He was good, but not a "wow" all time great
he just looked old as frick and honestly wasnt that mobile. people assume he was some old washed up bum
Posted on 11/15/12 at 1:58 pm to bomber77
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Earl "The Goat" Manigault
I just looked him up and read this:
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Manigault was particularly famous for his leaping abilities on the basketball court, including his signature move - the double dunk. He would dunk the ball, catch it with his left hand, switch the ball to his right hand, bring it back around to the top of the basket and jam it through again, all done while still in the air on a single jump, and without hanging on the rim
Whoa....
And this:
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Earl was reportedly able to touch the top of the backboard to retrieve quarters and dollar bills
This is unreal.
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:00 pm to CocomoLSU
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CocomoLSU
Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:03 pm to Lester Earl
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sabonis still wasnt that old when he came over to the US
Uh... he was already 31 by the time he finally came over to play for the Blazers.
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he just looked old as frick and honestly wasnt that mobile
Oh I see...you obviously have no f*cking idea what you're talking about.
Posted on 11/15/12 at 2:05 pm to 4ngel
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Uh... he was already 31 by the time he finally came over to play for the Blazers.
His knees were already shot. Hell in the Soviet Union he was playing international competition by the time he was 15-16.
Some playground legends:
LINK
I played quite a bit of playground ball myself in the 70's in Cleveland. Back then everybody would get together, street guys, high school kids, even NBA players. It was all about playin hoops.
Those games at Rucker had to be something to watch. I like the story of Joe Drummond dropping 50 on Doctor J in one half!
This post was edited on 11/15/12 at 2:18 pm
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