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re: Great article on Johnny Manziel in ESPN the magazine
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:25 am to Keys Open Doors
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:25 am to Keys Open Doors
Other thoughts from reading the article:
Definitely sounds like his dad is over-compensating from his own childhood. Since he never knew his dad well, he wants to be Johnny's best friend.
Johnny comes off as a bit of a JD McCoy type from Friday Night Lights. I can see NFL vets hating him from Day 1.
Despite all of the perks of being the BMOC, I can see why Manziel would hate being under the spotlight. I'm not sure how many older people understand the difference between being famous in 1993 and being famous in 2013 because of social media and smart phones. However, Manziel is a moron to keep using Twitter and Instagram.
Definitely sounds like his dad is over-compensating from his own childhood. Since he never knew his dad well, he wants to be Johnny's best friend.
Johnny comes off as a bit of a JD McCoy type from Friday Night Lights. I can see NFL vets hating him from Day 1.
Despite all of the perks of being the BMOC, I can see why Manziel would hate being under the spotlight. I'm not sure how many older people understand the difference between being famous in 1993 and being famous in 2013 because of social media and smart phones. However, Manziel is a moron to keep using Twitter and Instagram.
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Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:50 am to Keys Open Doors
Just shows how great it is when guys like Andrew Luck who delt with fame the right way in college.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 1:14 am to Keys Open Doors
JFF is handling it poorly but his parents seem to be failing in a worse way. Their concern should be providing him a normal haven from all the people treating him differently and seeking things from him... and instead they seem more enamored with the second-hand fame and benefits for themselves than they do concerned about his best interests (milking their son for autographs or getting custom license plates to brag about being "JFF"'s parent)
Posted on 7/31/13 at 6:12 am to Keys Open Doors
Manziel is no Vick
Posted on 7/31/13 at 7:11 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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ESPN The Magazine has been known to make stuff up, leave stuff out, take things out of context and basically drive an agenda with pretty wreckless disregard
There is no better sports journalist than Wright Thompson. Feel free to question the integrity of ESPN and some of the people that work for them, but Thompson is great.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 7:21 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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Isn't Wright Thompson the guy that made that awful awful 30 for 30 about Ole Miss that had basically nothing to do about football?
Yes, he likes to dive into mostly off the field issues, Thompson is widely considered one of the best in the business. I love his writing but I tend to gravitate toward that style and find his selections compelling.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:29 am to Algerian
The comparison to Luck is probably pretty close. Both came from money, both famous. However, that is about it. No quarterback since P Manning has had the skills of Luck and who did he replace?
Manziel had the misfortune of playing in Tx, at a school playing in the shadow of Austin. The fanbase starving for a winner and he won in the toughest conference in the nation.
What is truly telling about the Manziel's is that they attribute everything to Johnny. The article reads as if all the new money, raises, etc. are due to him and not A&M's move to the SEC. Nothing attributed to the team, A&M's higher profile and the need to keep up with the rest of the SEC. Do they not understand recruiting and the NCAA rules and regulations? His father having personal meeting with University officials is probably unheard of among the average NCAA athelete. Do they not know that the average NCAA athelete will do nothing of what Manziel would do in his normal life and the rules are written that way. I mean Dale Brown got in trouble for paying for a suit for a player to go to a funeral.
I believe the whole article shows that Manziel's father coming from money understands the value of his son and is upset about it. He also understands that he has a small window to benfit off of this. The former NFL player is a telling part of this.
Johhny however, will probably flame out in the NFL, becuase he is not big enough and doesn't have the correct disposition to succeed as a franchise quarterback. He'll be okay in life though, that one year at A&M will guarantee him and his family security for life above and beyond Grandad's money.
This article just comes off as "rich people problems", which most of the public cannot relate to.
It makes no one a sympathetic figure and I actually feel A&M will be happy when he is gone.
Manziel had the misfortune of playing in Tx, at a school playing in the shadow of Austin. The fanbase starving for a winner and he won in the toughest conference in the nation.
What is truly telling about the Manziel's is that they attribute everything to Johnny. The article reads as if all the new money, raises, etc. are due to him and not A&M's move to the SEC. Nothing attributed to the team, A&M's higher profile and the need to keep up with the rest of the SEC. Do they not understand recruiting and the NCAA rules and regulations? His father having personal meeting with University officials is probably unheard of among the average NCAA athelete. Do they not know that the average NCAA athelete will do nothing of what Manziel would do in his normal life and the rules are written that way. I mean Dale Brown got in trouble for paying for a suit for a player to go to a funeral.
I believe the whole article shows that Manziel's father coming from money understands the value of his son and is upset about it. He also understands that he has a small window to benfit off of this. The former NFL player is a telling part of this.
Johhny however, will probably flame out in the NFL, becuase he is not big enough and doesn't have the correct disposition to succeed as a franchise quarterback. He'll be okay in life though, that one year at A&M will guarantee him and his family security for life above and beyond Grandad's money.
This article just comes off as "rich people problems", which most of the public cannot relate to.
It makes no one a sympathetic figure and I actually feel A&M will be happy when he is gone.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:32 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Did u expect a 30 for 30 show about Ole Miss to be mainly about football? What would they say? Talk about the co-champs banner?
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:36 am to Baloo
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Wright Thompson is such a great writer. Fantastic article.
He's got serious chops.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:34 am to bigpetedatiga
Ya, comparing Manziel to Vick is a travesty.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:58 am to tiger94gop
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This article just comes off as "rich people problems", which most of the public cannot relate to.
agreed
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It makes no one a sympathetic figure and I actually feel A&M will be happy when he is gone.
definitely agreed
the aggies have a pride about their school in a "no place I would rather be" vibe that manziel clearly does not have.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 1:53 pm to DrakeLSU
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Ya, comparing Manziel to Vick is a travesty.
In the sense that Manziel's stats are significantly better than Vick's and he' doing it against the best teams in the country rather than Big East also-rans?
I know you're actually saying the opposite, but I don't see why. QB stats have gone through the roof in the past decade, but Manziel has been dominant in a way that no one can compare to him besides Cam since 2003.
Besides Vick and Manziel are very similar in size, both are about 6' an 205-215 pounds, making them completely undersized in the pro game and susceptible to injury. Don't see many differences between them on the field. Just that one is a poor black guy and the other is a rich white guy.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 2:09 pm to Keys Open Doors
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the aggies have a pride about their school in a "no place I would rather be" vibe that manziel clearly does not have.
For sure. The article was very well written too. This has to be awkward for the A&M coaching staff to read right?
Posted on 7/31/13 at 2:11 pm to greenwave
From talking to my Aggie friends and work and the folks i went to school with there....the majority are tired of his shite.
Like I said when the season starts and he is punking teams all over the field I think it will change their mindset a little, but god forbid he doesn't live up to last season's benchmark.
It will get really, really rough.
Like I said when the season starts and he is punking teams all over the field I think it will change their mindset a little, but god forbid he doesn't live up to last season's benchmark.
It will get really, really rough.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 2:12 pm to greenwave
So awkward 
I am sure Sumlin knows all of this but it must suck for him to have it in the national press.
The one thing I'll never understand is why the Manziels agreed to the story. I have no doubt Wright was 100% accurate, but no matter what, it makes the whole family look bad, and it can hurt Johnny's draft stock in April.
I am sure Sumlin knows all of this but it must suck for him to have it in the national press. The one thing I'll never understand is why the Manziels agreed to the story. I have no doubt Wright was 100% accurate, but no matter what, it makes the whole family look bad, and it can hurt Johnny's draft stock in April.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 2:14 pm to Keys Open Doors
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The one thing I'll never understand is why the Manziels agreed to the story. I have no doubt Wright was 100% accurate, but no matter what, it makes the whole family look bad, and it can hurt Johnny's draft stock in April.
Well JM's dad grew up in money, so I am sure he has a warped view of the world. He also grew up in Tyler, TX which is a very nice town and filled with nice people but from what I've seen with my folks living there (they live a few doors down from JM's grandparents) it can be a very snobby town. That being said, I wouldn't mind working there and raising my family there.
He probably thought he and maybe still thinks he comes off as sympathetic in the piece when in reality he is seen as a whiny little brat like his son by 99% of the people out there.
This post was edited on 7/31/13 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 7/31/13 at 2:24 pm to tylercsbn9
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Like I said when the season starts and he is punking teams all over the field I think it will change their mindset a little
Everyone will forgive and forget.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 2:54 pm to molsusports
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JFF is handling it poorly but his parents seem to be failing in a worse way
This is the main thing I took from all this.
Mom and Dad sound like head cases.
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