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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:28 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:28 pm to fightin tigers
Merc has filed their intention to appeal per twitter...
Also, it appears the FIA's web page is being hammered and they are redirecting everyone to their Facebook page which doesn't have any of the decisions posted.
Also, it appears the FIA's web page is being hammered and they are redirecting everyone to their Facebook page which doesn't have any of the decisions posted.
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:28 pm to Fe_Mike
quote:Yep.
Exactly, if they had let the lappers by immediately like usual, what is the difference in letting them by just before the last lap, and not letting everyone by?
The ultimate result is Max immediately behind Hamilton with one lap to go. They got the final lap racing scenario right.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:30 pm to bikerack
quote:SHOCKED
Merc has filed their intention to appeal per twitter...
well, not that shocked
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:31 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
If Massi wasn't an idiot he would have red flagged the race as soon as latifi crashed. They went with the SC and then realized quickly that they fricked up and were going to finish the championship under the SC. So they hastily rewrote the rules to give it a green finish.
Exactly this. The best outcome from this should be actual procedure followed when a race is yellow flagged with less than 10 laps to go. There should be no judgement calls.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:33 pm to billjamin
quote:no different than any sporting league though right? A hollow appeal process where you ask the FIA to investigate themselves vs the NFL and other leagues where you get fined to even question the officiating.
I’m happy all these newly minted Netflix F1 fans are getting to see how bureaucratic this sport can be and how dysfunctional FIA is. Welcome to the suck newbs.
Sports Officiating, including F1
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:34 pm to GerryDiNardo
There were enough laps left when the wreck occurred there should have been no issue getting restarted after a typical SC. The slow cleanup put them in a bad spot.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:35 pm to GerryDiNardo
Just read the release. So they’re basically saying that they fricked up and didn’t apply 48.12 correctly, but regardless 48.13 overrules that?
I do agree that what Merc is asking is to essential shorten the race retroactively which is bullshite, that’s not racing.
I do agree that what Merc is asking is to essential shorten the race retroactively which is bullshite, that’s not racing.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:37 pm to busbeepbeep
quote:
no different than any sporting league though right? A hollow appeal process where you ask the FIA to investigate themselves vs the NFL and other leagues where you get fined to even question the officiating.
It seems like the FIA always has more drama. It’s probably just perception and that it’s all out in the open. We don’t get to hear coach’s yell at refs or have a real time review or appeal process. F1 puts it all on there, which is pretty great in my option but creates a lot of drama.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:39 pm to billjamin
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I do agree that what Merc is asking is to essential shorten the race retroactively which is bullshite, that’s not racing.
Well, there is a lot of precedence of that happening in F1 before. Take for example Giancarlo Fisichella's win at the 2003 Brazilian Grand Prix:
quote:
The race was scheduled to run for 71 laps, but was stopped on lap 56 after two major crashes blocked the circuit. Due to confusion about the timing of the red flag, the win was initially awarded to Kimi Räikkönen of McLaren, with Giancarlo Fisichella of Jordan in second and Fernando Alonso of Renault in third. However, following a post-race appeal by the Jordan team, eventually heard in court, it was established that Fisichella was leading when the race results were declared, and he was awarded the win with Räikkönen demoted to second. Alonso remained in third place; he had missed the podium ceremony at the time as he was receiving medical attention.
LINK
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:39 pm to Eighteen
quote:
As a new fan, what is the reason they even allow pit stops/tire changes during safety cars and red flags?
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:39 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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I hope they let the race and championship stand just because it would be such a black eye on the sport
drama queerquote:No, he did what he was supposed to do. He almost fricked up badly by not letting cars unlap, but he unwound enough of them to affect that part that still counted. The rule, as it pertained to 1st and 2nd, was adhered to.
Massi clearly augmented the regulations in the final 2 laps of the championship deciding race.
Go join the Schumacher conspiracy clan. That's a better, though also incorrect, argument.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:41 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:No. They didn't.
They very clearly went against their own regs
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:42 pm to busbeepbeep
quote:
no different than any sporting league though right? A hollow appeal process where you ask the FIA to investigate themselves vs the NFL and other leagues where you get fined to even question the officiating.
No. The CAS overriding is very possible. Masi said he was only concerned about the leaders, but doesn't consider P3 a leader.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:44 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
P3
Ferrari didnt protest correct, and so let it stand.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:46 pm to nola tiger lsu
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Ferrari didnt protest correct, and so let it stand.
Merc only has to argue that had Max been under pressure from #3 the outcome could have been different.
With what the stewards found Masi can circumvent whatever rules he wants.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:46 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
The CAS overriding is very possible.
No, it's not.
They're not changing the results months from now.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:46 pm to blueboy
quote:
No. They didn't.
Stewards release said 48.12 “was not fully applied”.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:47 pm to Eighteen
quote:
As a new fan, what is the reason they even allow pit stops/tire changes during safety cars and red flags?
Part of the strategy. Laps are counting.
Red Flag is a different animal that will probably see some changes soon.
The red flags
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:48 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
With what the stewards found Masi can circumvent whatever rules he wants.
They essentially just said it’s ok for him to partially apply rules.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:50 pm to billjamin
Pretty much. Basically he is the race director and can set the grid as he sees fit.
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