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Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:57 pm to
Posted by BlueJays509
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Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:57 pm to
Stroll Mercedes Ashton Racing India
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 9/11/20 at 11:56 pm to
quote:

Zac Brown is trying to bring Checo into full time Indy Racing in 3rd Arrow McLaren Team car. He would tear up the Indy circuit.


Carlos Slim doesn't want an Indy champ, he wants an F1 champ.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 12:22 am to
quote:

Carlos Slim doesn't want an Indy champ, he wants an F1 champ.


Yup

IMO, Checo in a top tier car in Indy will be damn good... while he would struggle at some ovals, his talents would shine on the road courses

Hell, you could argue that Dixon and Power should get a shot at F1... but it seems Indy drivers are going to WEC instead (Bourdais, Kanaan, Pagenaud and Dixon)

Speaking of Bourdais, he made the jump and ran for Toro Rosso for what, 2 years? Then came back to America

Hell, Sato ran F1 for a while, then came to Indy and has had some wins... 2 Indy 500
Posted by BlueWaffleHouse
LA
Member since Jul 2012
2012 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 3:38 am to
Dixon, Rossi, Newgarden, Herta... all have the skill to compete in Formula 1, it’s just the political & financial barriers to entry make getting into F1 solely based off talent a very very rare thing.

I’ve never really seen anything spectacular with Perez, albeit w/ only 3 cars on the grid currently capable of winning based off speed, if you’re not in one of those three cars, your ceiling is capped at the moment ...
Posted by southernelite
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 7:54 am to
Let’s go! Max looks competitive in the FP, but we will see if Mercedes is sandbagging....
Posted by BigWillieStyle
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 8:30 am to
MAX MAX MAX
Posted by taylork37
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 8:35 am to
Nvmd
This post was edited on 9/12/20 at 8:37 am
Posted by YOURADHERE
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 8:39 am to
ESPN2
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
52504 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 9:02 am to
Max has the pace apparently and has been superior with tire management. Could challenge Mercedes tomorrow if the cards fall right
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 10:04 am to
I would think a couple cautions are likely tomorrow that will bring the field back together. Tight track and gravel traps have already shown up in practice.
Posted by TigerAlumni2010
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 10:50 am to
I'm thinking there will be a few cautions as well. Should be interesting to see what tire degradation looks like tomorrow.
This post was edited on 9/12/20 at 10:51 am
Posted by Rendevoustavern
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 12:38 pm to
Had a weird thought watching a few of the quail laps. What if they removed the edges of the corners. While Mugello isn’t In the normal rotation, these guys are flat out for the end of S1 and all of S2 and the final turn of S3 into the straight. What if they took out the run corner run offs and forced the drivers to ease up and not run off the black top track. While this would slow them down incrementally do you think this would have any impact on the standings?

I say this after reading a lot of the Indy chat and majority of the tracks don’t have the run off corners. It’s black top then grass (see below for pic)
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 12:46 pm to
They would just adapt like anyone else taking a track.

If you think IndyCar is devoid of curbs, I have some news for you.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 1:17 pm to
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What if they took out the run corner run offs and forced the drivers to ease up and not run off the black top track. While this would slow them down incrementally do you think this would have any impact on the standings?


Changes nothing except the width of the drivable surface... how would a narrow corner vs a wider corner have impact on the standings?

The whole philosophy of cornering is to carry as much speed into and out of the corner... if the usable driving surface is the same for everybody (regardless of curbs) how can that possibly change anything?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 2:27 pm to
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I would think a couple cautions are likely tomorrow that will bring the field back together. Tight track and gravel traps have already shown up in practice.


RoGro, Kvyat, Latifi, or Gio is ending up in the gravel and a safety car is coming out. Even the good drivers couldn't keep their wheels out of the gravel during FP/Quali.
This post was edited on 9/12/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted by Rendevoustavern
Member since May 2018
1910 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 2:42 pm to
I said taking out runoff corners similar to the picture along all corners.
My point is guys are going flat out through 75% of this track, if you take off the corners that they are clearly running 50% of their car over they’d have to let up and turn harder. Point being, how would that impact each car/team. How would that impact cars with significant downforce (Merc) and their tire wear as compared to cars with more straight line speed. Just a thought after watching these guys eat majority of the curbs flat out.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 9/12/20 at 3:53 pm to
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I say this after reading a lot of the Indy chat and majority of the tracks don’t have the run off corners. It’s black top then grass (see below for pic)


Watch F1 vs Indy at COTA for a track limit argument.


There has been a lot of discussion of doing exactly what you are suggesting. Gravel traps are seen as dangerous when compared with asphalt runoffs. But gravel seems to make for better racing.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
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15923 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

if you take off the corners that they are clearly running 50% of their car over they’d have to let up and turn harder. Point being, how would that impact each car/team. How would that impact cars with significant downforce (Merc) and their tire wear as compared to cars with more straight line speed. Just a thought after watching these guys eat majority of the curbs flat out.


Watch this Indy race at Mid-Ohio... some guys using the run offs, some guys not

My thought is that it would be equal for all, therefore the only teams who would have an advantage are the ones who have a superior rotating car without scrubbing speed... RB & Merc first come to mind

Would tire deg be an issue?? Between car setup and tire management by the driver... probably not that much, although last years Merc's rear tires would say different
Posted by BlueWaffleHouse
LA
Member since Jul 2012
2012 posts
Posted on 9/12/20 at 5:45 pm to
I said taking out runoff corners similar to the picture along all corners.

Look up the circuit that will be used as the Dutch Grand Prix, Zandvoort. It was unfortunately canceled this year but will be on the calendar next year. It has a number of tight corners with no run off that you’re referencing.
Zandvoort Lap
This post was edited on 9/12/20 at 5:49 pm
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
52504 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:01 am to
Issue with max's car cutting it close
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