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re: For those who support a 12+ team CFB playoff…
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:28 am to YStar
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:28 am to YStar
I have said this 10+ times the last few days. The "Bowl System" is what killed college football...period. Once upon a time, when there was like 6 bowl games, it was a great era for the game. Now there are 30+ bowl games. Teams that go under 5-7 are literally making bowl games. The last 30 years has seen the system literally completely disregard the regular season. I keep hearing this "it will ruin the regular season" chant from the anti playoff expansion crowd, when the cold hard truth is that regular season hasnt meant anything for over 30 years. Getting rid of the bowl season entirely and going to a 12 team playoff, makes the regular season absolutley vital. Anything less than 10-2 or 9-3, wont get you jack shite in the post season. I LOVE this!!! Get rid of this everybody makes a bowl game "trophy generation" shite out of college football. 12 teams and 12 teams ONLY make the post season. Cant wait!!!
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Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:32 am to AwesomeSauce
quote:
10 conference champions and 2 at large.
Wait they honestly want 5 group of teams in the playoffs?
Holy shite this is going to be a disaster
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:34 am to YStar
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This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 12:05 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:44 am to AwesomeSauce
10 conference champions and 2 at large. The entire regular season would have huge meaning. Top 4 seeds get byes, 5-8 would get home games on campus in the first round, and every team would "have a shot". I honestly don't see the problem in it, give every FBS team a seat at the table.
nailed it.
nailed it.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:24 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:
I have said this 10+ times the last few days. The "Bowl System" is what killed college football...period. Once upon a time, when there was like 6 bowl games, it was a great era for the game. Now there are 30+ bowl games. Teams that go under 5-7 are literally making bowl games. The last 30 years has seen the system literally completely disregard the regular season. I keep hearing this "it will ruin the regular season" chant from the anti playoff expansion crowd, when the cold hard truth is that regular season hasnt meant anything for over 30 years. Getting rid of the bowl season entirely and going to a 12 team playoff, makes the regular season absolutley vital. Anything less than 10-2 or 9-3, wont get you jack shite in the post season. I LOVE this!!! Get rid of this everybody makes a bowl game "trophy generation" shite out of college football. 12 teams and 12 teams ONLY make the post season. Cant wait!!!
I agree completely. I vividly remember a time when teams with 8-9 wins didn't make a bowl. When a team made a bowl it was a big deal. Now, we have plays opting out and fans not attending because playing against a 6-5 team in Idaho just doesn't mean a lot.
Like it or not college football is evolving and fans are going to have to accept or take up knitting. With NIL and essentially free agency, schools are going to have to be very adaptive to the changes to keep top recruits coming to their schools.
While a 6-8 team tournament is my happy place, should it be decided to go 12 teams then I would go a step further to totally kill the bowl system which needs to happen....In addition to a 12 team playoff, I wouldn't mind seeing a 12-16 team NIT-team consolation tournament which should assume teams with respectable records having a shot at some glory.
As for the rest that didn't make it...tough shite. Coaches say that a Bowl allows extra practices...well, allow all teams extra practices if they don't make a bowl to stop the whinning.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:33 am to cajuntiger1010
Cheapens regular season
No need for conference title games
Why play an extra game
No need for conference title games
Why play an extra game
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:50 am to nicholastiger
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Cheapens regular season
No need for conference title games
Why play an extra game
Oh, there's no doubt it will cheapen the regular season. I'll go as far to say in later games where a team has clinched a playoff spot might sit players which is why I still want a championship game to make key players play.
The flip side to an expanded playoff is players will be less likely to sit out.
Also, to make this work there will have to games play on campus which I certainly like.
If LSU hosted a first round game in a playoff that wouldn't get you fired up?
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:53 am to jlovel7
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Wait they honestly want 5 group of teams in the playoffs?
No, the proposal that apparently is being discussed is the the 5 power conference champions, the highest ranked group of 5 team and 6 at large bids.
I’m not sure why that poster assumed 10 conference champions would get in lol.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:56 am to noladan
There are multiple proposals being discussed. It needs to be the following:
5 Power Five Champions
1 Highest Rated Group of 5
Auto Bid for any G5 conference champion ranked in the top 20. No undefeated team should be left out if we expand the playoffs and without this qualifier Coastal would have been left out last year.
Remaining at-large bids.
5 Power Five Champions
1 Highest Rated Group of 5
Auto Bid for any G5 conference champion ranked in the top 20. No undefeated team should be left out if we expand the playoffs and without this qualifier Coastal would have been left out last year.
Remaining at-large bids.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:00 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Nobody will be benching starters unless the game is already a blowout. Losing that last game is the difference between a top 4 team losing their bye and 5-12 losing their first round home game or playoff spot entirely, depending on the selection format
Many CFB fans that first time a major end of season rivalry game sees one side benching a bunch of their starters
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:20 am to BuckyCheese
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Right now Bama, Clemson, OU and OSU are essentially penciled in every year. The recruits know this obviously and that plays into their decision on which school to "take their talents" to.
People always cite this as the problem, but it has very little to do with the playoff only being 4 teams. The problem is the PAC currently stinks and nobody is competing with OSU, Clemson and OU in their respective conferences.
Mix up the champs within those leagues, and variety of the type you actually want (different helmets with an actual shot at winning) all of a sudden takes care of itself.
That problem doesn’t get solved by expanding. The blue bloods and other programs with legit resources in those leagues stepping up and getting their act together solves that problem.
Bama is a whole separate issue, because they don’t actually win the SEC every year, but get in half the time they don’t anyway.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:27 am to Roger Klarvin
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For those who support a 12+ team CFB playoff…
Do you know that you’re retarded, or would me telling you that come as a surprise?
Another enlightening SEC rant post.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:34 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Oh, there's no doubt it will cheapen the regular season. I'll go as far to say in later games where a team has clinched a playoff spot might sit players which is why I still want a championship game to make key players play.
The only way a team would sit starters is if they locked up one of the Byes even with a loss.
The only thing 12 teams does over 8 is incentivize the regular season more because those top 4 seeds are made even more meaningful. In a 8 team playoff, the only benefit of a higher seed is you get to wear your home jersey. With 12, you get a bye.
It also incentivizes 5-8 seeds because you get to host the first round games.
I have been a strictly 8 team guy, but I actually have come around to the 12 team model. It actually makes the regular season more meaningful than an 8 team playoff.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:37 am to Buckeye Backer
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Anything less than 10-2 or 9-3, wont get you jack shite in the post season. I LOVE this!!
Top tier teams only play 3-4 real games per year. 9-3 is enough to get you fired at Ohio St and now it's good enough for a shot at a National Title?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:46 am to KosmoCramer
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I have been a strictly 8 team guy, but I actually have come around to the 12 team model. It actually makes the regular season more meaningful than an 8 team playoff.
I too am warming up to your point of view. Right now, the month of November puts most of the focus on the top 6-8 teams. Everyone else is only looking at the teams they support.
I think the biggest hang-up people have with a 12-game playoff is the concept of a team with 8-9 wins having a legitimate change of making the tournament which makes them "Undeserving" which I have been of the mindset.
Well, unlike the NFL, college game schedules aren't based on how teams played last year. Some years leagues are really strong and sometimes they are. There was a time in the ACC where FSU, VT, Clemson, Miami were solid and right now it's just not there. The PAC 12 is a disaster. Strong leagues like the SEC has 9 win teams that are good but ran into buzzsaw's of extremely hard schedule.
If a bunch of 6-7 win teams went into the month of November and those last 4 games gave 30 schools a chance to make the tournament it could make for a good finish.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:49 am to KosmoCramer
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It actually makes the regular season more meaningful than an 8 team playoff.
Does that logic extend beyond 12? Would 64 make the regular season more meaningful? What about 128? Every team makes it in and the regular season is strictly for seeding. Then every regular season game has playoff implications and is "meaningful".
Ohio St plays like 4 games this year. 9-3 = 1-3 and their punishment for such a miserable season is a road playoff game. How does that make their regular season more meaningful?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:53 am to CrippleCreek
Seasons that Alabama made the playoffs/NC game and won the SEC:
2009 - Won SEC
2012 - Won SEC
2014 - Won SEC
2015 - Won SEC
2016 - Won SEC
2018 - Won SEC
2020 - Won SEC
Seasons that Alabama made the playoffs/NC game without winning the SEC:
2011
2017
In 2011 they proved they were the best team by shutting LSU out and not letting them cross the 50 yd line
In 2017 they proved they were the best team by beating #1 Clemson and Tua 2nd and 26 happened which helped us all continue with our 1980 Georgia jokes
2009 - Won SEC
2012 - Won SEC
2014 - Won SEC
2015 - Won SEC
2016 - Won SEC
2018 - Won SEC
2020 - Won SEC
Seasons that Alabama made the playoffs/NC game without winning the SEC:
2011
2017
In 2011 they proved they were the best team by shutting LSU out and not letting them cross the 50 yd line
In 2017 they proved they were the best team by beating #1 Clemson and Tua 2nd and 26 happened which helped us all continue with our 1980 Georgia jokes
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:58 am to CU_Tigers4life
quote:
I agree completely. I vividly remember a time when teams with 8-9 wins didn't make a bowl. When a team made a bowl it was a big deal. Now, we have plays opting out and fans not attending because playing against a 6-5 team in Idaho just doesn't mean a lot.
Like it or not college football is evolving and fans are going to have to accept or take up knitting. With NIL and essentially free agency, schools are going to have to be very adaptive to the changes to keep top recruits coming to their schools.
While a 6-8 team tournament is my happy place, should it be decided to go 12 teams then I would go a step further to totally kill the bowl system which needs to happen....In addition to a 12 team playoff, I wouldn't mind seeing a 12-16 team NIT-team consolation tournament which should assume teams with respectable records having a shot at some glory.
As for the rest that didn't make it...tough shite. Coaches say that a Bowl allows extra practices...well, allow all teams extra practices if they don't make a bowl to stop the whinning.
YES X10000000
Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:00 am to CU_Tigers4life
quote:
I too am warming up to your point of view. Right now, the month of November puts most of the focus on the top 6-8 teams. Everyone else is only looking at the teams they support.
I think the biggest hang-up people have with a 12-game playoff is the concept of a team with 8-9 wins having a legitimate change of making the tournament which makes them "Undeserving" which I have been of the mindset.
Well, unlike the NFL, college game schedules aren't based on how teams played last year. Some years leagues are really strong and sometimes they are. There was a time in the ACC where FSU, VT, Clemson, Miami were solid and right now it's just not there. The PAC 12 is a disaster. Strong leagues like the SEC has 9 win teams that are good but ran into buzzsaw's of extremely hard schedule.
If a bunch of 6-7 win teams went into the month of November and those last 4 games gave 30 schools a chance to make the tournament it could make for a good finish
Which is why i have been saying the one league and their fan base that should be jumping up and down for this...is the SEC!!! I am totally surprised that more SEC fans aren't on board with this. Exactly like you said, all conferences aren't created equal and neither are individual seasons/circumstances.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:19 am to Roger Klarvin
The BCS would have made several of the last few playoffs the exact same. There isn’t as much parity in the sport today as there was in the early to mid 2000s (thanks Saban and Dabo). At least the larger playoff gives more teams something to play for and once the current Bama and Clemson runs end I think the playoff will be incredibly entertaining
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