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re: For those who support a 12+ team CFB playoff…
Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:33 am to JoeHackett
Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:33 am to JoeHackett
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Ohio St plays like 4 games this year. 9-3 = 1-3 and their punishment for such a miserable season is a road playoff game. How does that make their regular season more meaningful?
Who says they would get in?
The whole thing is going to come down to how the selections are made. Are there going to be automatic qualifiers for winning your conference championships game? How many at large spots? Does the G5 get any auto bids? Ect... if it's just the top 12 ranked teams by the playoff committee get in then I'm not as big of a fan.
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Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:52 am to Buckeye Backer
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Which is why i have been saying the one league and their fan base that should be jumping up and down for this...is the SEC!!! I am totally surprised that more SEC fans aren't on board with this. Exactly like you said, all conferences aren't created equal and neither are individual seasons/circumstances.
Yeah, it's a real head scratcher on the SEC not leading the charge for this. It would just about assure 3-5 teams every year if the league remains it's current competitive level. That also mean more money for the conference and as we all know, it would give the even more "SEC is the best" bragging right.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:11 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Yeah, it's a real head scratcher on the SEC not leading the charge for this. It would just about assure 3-5 teams every year if the league remains it's current competitive level. That also mean more money for the conference and as we all know, it would give the even more "SEC is the best" bragging right.
The last thing the SEC wants is parity across the country and expanding the playoff is the best chance of improving that.
I'm all for the expansion. It gives my team a better shot for a title and I think it will make the season as a whole more entertaining with more teams having a shot at the post season.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:15 am to tiger25
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The last thing the SEC wants is parity across the country and expanding the playoff is the best chance of improving that.
I'm all for the expansion. It gives my team a better shot for a title and I think it will make the season as a whole more entertaining with more teams having a shot at the post season.
I hear what you are saying, but the Western half of the US isn't going to allow the SEC to dominate and will force the playoffs to have a system that allows better access by frankly lowering the standards. Hell, Clemson is on cruise control for the playoffs as it sets and expanding the number of teams pretty much assures a playoff spot every year.
One thing that might come out of this is coaches may not get fired as quick for not making the tourney which could be a positive side effect.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:19 am to CU_Tigers4life
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I hear what you are saying, but the Western half of the US isn't going to allow the SEC to dominate and will force the playoffs to have a system that allows better access by frankly lowering the standards. Hell, Clemson is on cruise control for the playoffs as it sets and expanding the number of teams pretty much assures a playoff spot every year.
Oh absolutely! It's going to happen soon as a committee is going to suggest a playoff format next week. Wouldn't be surprised if we see the expansion this season or next.
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One thing that might come out of this is coaches may not get fired as quick for not making the tourney which could be a positive side effect.
This is a good point. I think this will also cool off the ridiculous contracts schools are shelling out to coaches.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:39 am to tiger25
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I'm all for the expansion. It gives my team a better shot for a title and I think it will make the season as a whole more entertaining with more teams having a shot at the post season.
Why not expand to 64? Most games would have playoff implications, making them more meaningful. More teams would have a shot at a title, making the season more entertaining.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:44 am to tiger25
The BCS was designed to create the 2 best teams which for the most part it did. But that created domination and they had to go to a 4 team system and I think its been successful.
Expanding the playoffs to change the goal of putting to two best teams to the 12 "most deserving" teams in the tourney.
I'm not sure jumping from 4 to 12 is a good idea, but if you do it now then there shouldn't be a need to ask for expansion for a long time.
As long as we are getting quality and meaningful post season games it will work.
What I predict will happen is for the first 3-4 years the current top teams will continue to dominate and there will be blowouts in the tourney. I expect parity to kick in within around 5 years because the top rated talent will be spread around.
Expanding the playoffs to change the goal of putting to two best teams to the 12 "most deserving" teams in the tourney.
I'm not sure jumping from 4 to 12 is a good idea, but if you do it now then there shouldn't be a need to ask for expansion for a long time.
As long as we are getting quality and meaningful post season games it will work.
What I predict will happen is for the first 3-4 years the current top teams will continue to dominate and there will be blowouts in the tourney. I expect parity to kick in within around 5 years because the top rated talent will be spread around.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:49 am to JoeHackett
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Why not expand to 64? Most games would have playoff implications, making them more meaningful. More teams would have a shot at a title, making the season more entertaining.
You can keep making this argument if you want to but it doesn't make it a good one.
12 should be the max. Anything more than that will start diluting the season. But you knew that.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:52 am to Roger Klarvin
What gets me is that they will probably just add more down the line like who's to say it couldn't turn to 16 a few more years down the line.
Feels like nothing is ever good enough lately and not just with college football
Feels like nothing is ever good enough lately and not just with college football
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:52 am to CU_Tigers4life
Ohio State getting through only half their schedule and struggling with Indiana and Northwestern in the process has exposed the committee and their prejudice toward brand names.
The playoff committee has no moral high ground to argue about season comparisons and proving anything on the field.
Whether it's 8 or 12, it's time.
The playoff committee has no moral high ground to argue about season comparisons and proving anything on the field.
Whether it's 8 or 12, it's time.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:56 am to bamameister
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The playoff committee has no moral high ground to argue about season comparisons and proving anything on the field.
I absolutely think politics plays a big part and Ohio State has benefitted from that. The powers that be don't want to see the Southern part of the US own college football. Now that's not Ohio State's fault or any other school that get's in.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:57 am to LooseCannon22282
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What gets me is that they will probably just add more down the line like who's to say it couldn't turn to 16 a few more years down the line.
The only way I see them expanding again as quickly as we are now is if we go to 6 or 8. If it gets to 12 I think that will be it for a long time.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:58 am to tiger25
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Anything more than that will start diluting the season. But you knew that.
So there's a point that dilutes the season. Because you guys keep saying more is automatically better "more meaningful" "more fun" etc
12 dilutes the season. 2 and 3 loss teams having a shot dilutes the season. Look at Georgia's schedule this year. 10-2 would be a pretty poor record given their team. But you guys want to give them a shot based on the more=better idea.
Also expanding to 12 will mean 16 in a few years and then probably 24. There will always be people who say, yeah but imagine how exciting it will be when 30-40 teams have a real shot in November. Imagine how much fun a 24 team tournament will be. Imagine hosting playoff games on campus... The same argument you're making now.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:06 am to JoeHackett
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So there's a point that dilutes the season. Because you guys keep saying more is automatically better "more meaningful" "more fun" etc
12 dilutes the season. 2 and 3 loss teams having a shot dilutes the season. Look at Georgia's schedule this year. 10-2 would be a pretty poor record given their team. But you guys want to give them a shot based on the more=better idea.
Also expanding to 12 will mean 16 in a few years and then probably 24. There will always be people who say, yeah but imagine how exciting it will be when 30-40 teams have a real shot in November. Imagine how much fun a 24 team tournament will be. Imagine hosting playoff games on campus... The same argument you're making now.
If you are the Iowa State fan that your profile shows this should be a gift! Iowa State is good enough to give just about any teams a helluva game but the Big 12(minus 2) has a way of shatting on itself and screwing things up.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:16 am to AwesomeSauce
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10 conference champions and 2 at large
This is not going to happen. There is always going to be a sub-part G5 champion. For instance, Miami (OH) won the MAC in 2019 with an 8-5 record. They would have had no business sniffing the playoffs that year.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:16 am to YStar
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Why does everyone deserve a seat at the table?
Why don't they?
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Take this socialistic handout bull shite out of here.
Then unless you are a fan of LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, or Florida tell your AD to give your check back to the SEC because those five teams are the reason the SEC revenues are what they are. That's socialism, taking the money they made for the conference and giving it to the other nine schools just for being their whipping boys.
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When the SEC get 2 or 3 in the semi-finals every season they will complain even more.
If they earn it on the field instead of in a closed door meeting then what is there to complain about?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:17 am to cajuntiger1010
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BCS Era CFB had the most meaningful regular season.
This is the primary reason behind a lack of quality home and homes. Money and annual rivalry is the a huge reason why we get most of them. For this season we get the following SEC OOC:
Alabama @ Miami (Chik-fil-A game)
Arkansas @ Texas
Auburn @ Penn State
Florida @ FSU (every year)
George @ GT (every year)
Kentucky vs Louisville (every year)
LSU @ UCLA
Mississippi vs NC State
Missouri @ BC
Ole Miss vs Louisville (Chik-fil-A game)
South Carolina vs Clemson (every year)
Tennessee vs Pitt
Texas A&M @ Colorado
Vanderbilt vs Stanford
There is very little incentive to get on the road and play a quality OOC opponent. If you lose, you just lost your shot at the playoff for nothing. But if you win, good for you, it doesn't really get you much as a P5 school. The trade off isn't really there with a huge downside and only a minimal upside. If I just play cupcakes for OOC and win my conference I go, so why play a tough OOC opponent? Perfect example is Washington a few seasons back.
In an expanded playoff situation, if you lose, you only "sacrifice" a potential at large bid and could effect your seeding. But if you win, you gain a potential at large bid if you drop a game in conference and possibly get higher seeding. So the trade off flips to there being a bigger upside and a minimal downside. Because of this I think you will end up with more quality matchups in the regular season.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:17 am to msutiger
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The same teams are, more than likely, still going to win the National championship every year. But, with an expanded playoffs, more these young men will now get to experience the playoffs and that feeling of having a chance. It doesn’t exist right now.
So it's all about feelings and not actual competition? Got it.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:24 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Iowa State is good enough to give just about any teams a helluva game
But that shouldn't be the criteria for a shot at a title.
College football has by far the best regular season in sports. It has an ok postseason. I'm fine with that. I enjoy watching 2019 LSU v Bama. That is a playoff game.
I think a lot of people want it to be more like the NFL but like I've said, big time college football teams don't play 12 real games per year. NFL teams play 17 real games. So a 9-3 college record is not as impressive as a 11-6 NFL record.
Georgia's 2021 schedule
Clemson
UAB
South Carolina
Vandy
Arkansas
Auburn
Kentucky
Florida
Missouri
Tennessee
Charleston Southern
Georiga Tech
If they lose 3 games with that schedule Kirby will start getting some major heat. He shouldn't also get a shot at an at large bid in the playoff.
Expand it and the season becomes more like basketball. Who's watching December college basketball outside of the states of North Carolina and Kentucky? No one. We just wait for March. College football isn't some magical sport that we have to watch no matter what. It isn't immune to a weak regular season.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:26 am to StormyMcMan
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But if you win, you gain a potential at large bid if you drop a game in conference and possibly get higher seeding. So the trade off flips to there being a bigger upside and a minimal downside. Because of this I think you will end up with more quality matchups in the regular season.
Completely disagree. There is less incentive to play quality OOC opponents in the regular season with an expanded playoff. The likelihood of injuries to your starters increase, and so does the wear and tear. It'll be better for teams to schedule more cupcakes so the starters will be nice and rested for the playoffs.
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