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re: For people who always thought Dirk was a GHAZI
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:54 am to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:54 am to Boomshockalocka
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Olajuwon > Dirk as best foreigner.
Wow ! I agree with u 4 once Bro !
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 11:54 am to dukke v
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I would take Randolph over Dirk at this point. Without Randolph the GRIZZ go NOWHERE. You saw the other day that the Mavs can win a game BIG without Dirk being a factor.
Randolph is also an example of a really good player who most haven't really seen. He has always had a great game under the basket.
When Dallas was fighting through every playoff series with Dampier as their center, Randolph was the guy I wanted them to sign.
He is just a beast who will not be denied in the paint.
Imagine Kidd with the ball, Dirk and Terry on either side and Zach in the middle.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 12:00 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Karl Malone is arguably the greatest regular season power forward of all-time. However, how someone could say that he doesn’t have trouble winning the big game is beyond me.
Getting to the finals twice doesn't count to you.
Anyway, here's a hypothetical:
Let's say the Mavs get a rematch in the finals with the Heat. It goes down to Game 7, and Dirk has been in BEAST MODE all series. Mavs down by two as the clock winds down. Dirk gets the ball, the Heat's defense collapses on him, and he kicks it out to Jason Terry, who's open for a three pointer, who shoots with .3 seconds on the clock.
One of two things will happen:
-Terry hits the shot and the Mavs are champs (GHAZI is going nuts)
-Terry misses the shot and the Mavs aren't champs (GHAZI sad)
In the first scenario, people like you would say that Dirk can now be entered into the discussion of top 15-20 of all time.
In the second scenario, people like you would say that he can't.
So a last second shot, in your eyes, could potentially determine whether or not Dirk is one of the greatest players.
In my opinion, whether or not that shot goes in is irrelevant. Dirk's either a top 15-20 player REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME of this season or he isn't.
GOATs should be recognized purely on their OWN merit, not other external factors. Dirk can't magically become a top 15 or 20 player of all time because his team mate makes a shot; conversely, he can't be prevented because his team mate misses it. Either he is or he isn't.
And therein lies the rub. Determining the greatest players of all time is mostly subjective. Sure, people like to march out stats to attempt to prove their points, but those stats are only tools to support their particular claim or to dispute another's--including ring counts.
There is no objective way to determine the GOAT, which is my point.
Back to Malone, a player does not magically become an all time great because his team wins. If Jordan misses that jumper against the Jazz, is Malone an all time great in your opinion? Is Malone suddenly "clutch"?
Posted on 5/10/11 at 12:01 pm to chinese58
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With the exception of the one year where he made it to the Finals, he has always killed in the playoffs and most of every regular season.
So a ring would magically make him into an even better player. Clearly.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 12:43 pm to Pistol...2K4
After Dirk retires, he will have better numbers across the board than Olajuwan.
Total Points: Dirk
Rebounds: Dirk
Blocks: Hakeem
Assists: Dirk
Steals: gonna be close but will probably give the nod to Hakeem
Total Points: Dirk
Rebounds: Dirk
Blocks: Hakeem
Assists: Dirk
Steals: gonna be close but will probably give the nod to Hakeem
Posted on 5/10/11 at 12:49 pm to FootballNostradamus
Ewing ?
Posted on 5/10/11 at 12:55 pm to Tiger n Austin
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You just love to argue and play devil's advocate when it comes to anything Mavs/Dirk related.
No I don't. I think he a a very good player.
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I would take Dirk all day over Kevin Durant in these playoffs.
And I would take Randolph over Dirk all-day in these playoffs.
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Dirk gets a ring and he is most defintely in the discussion for Top 15 of all time by the time his career ends
I don't think a RING should matter.
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After all is said and done, you really think Nash is better than Dirk?
2 MVPS speak for them selves.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:04 pm to ZenFNmaster
How about shaq ? Was he elite ? I don't mean to take away from the Dirk love fest, but I just don't understand peoples' need to undermine the accomplishments of the greatest player to ever lay hands on a basketball.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:14 pm to ZenFNmaster
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of the greatest player to ever lay hands on a basketball.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:21 pm to dukke v
What's do funny about that PeeeeJ? The fact that he's been a top 5 player in the NBA for a handful of years now and that he is actually better in the playoffs than in the regular season? His playoff totals from 05-06 are out of this world. 27 ppg 11.6 rpg. He's 7 ft tall and he can play inside and out. If GHAZI didn't pump up the guy so much, everyone would talk about how great he is.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:21 pm to Tiger n Austin
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After Dirk retires, he will have better numbers across the board than Olajuwan.
Total Points: Dirk
Rebounds: Dirk
Blocks: Hakeem
Assists: Dirk
Steals: gonna be close but will probably give the nod to Hakeem
-Points – Definitely possible
-Rebounds – Hakeem currently has over 5000 more rebounds than Dirk. I think it’s quite a stretch to say Dirk will end up with more than him. Possible? Sure, likely no
-Blocks – Not even close as Hakeem was the best defensive center of all-time
-Assists – Dirk will edge him out but Hakeem was a damn center
-Steals – Are you on drugs? Hakeem currently has more than double Dirk’s number of steals and he did it from the center position
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:24 pm to hendersonshands
I believe he was talkin bout Shaq. But if he was talking about Dirk than its even funnier.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:27 pm to Sophandros
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Getting to the finals twice doesn't count to you.
Anyway, here's a hypothetical:
Let's say the Mavs get a rematch in the finals with the Heat. It goes down to Game 7, and Dirk has been in BEAST MODE all series. Mavs down by two as the clock winds down. Dirk gets the ball, the Heat's defense collapses on him, and he kicks it out to Jason Terry, who's open for a three pointer, who shoots with .3 seconds on the clock.
One of two things will happen:
-Terry hits the shot and the Mavs are champs (GHAZI is going nuts)
-Terry misses the shot and the Mavs aren't champs (GHAZI sad)
In the first scenario, people like you would say that Dirk can now be entered into the discussion of top 15-20 of all time.
In the second scenario, people like you would say that he can't.
So a last second shot, in your eyes, could potentially determine whether or not Dirk is one of the greatest players.
In my opinion, whether or not that shot goes in is irrelevant. Dirk's either a top 15-20 player REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME of this season or he isn't.
GOATs should be recognized purely on their OWN merit, not other external factors. Dirk can't magically become a top 15 or 20 player of all time because his team mate makes a shot; conversely, he can't be prevented because his team mate misses it. Either he is or he isn't.
And therein lies the rub. Determining the greatest players of all time is mostly subjective. Sure, people like to march out stats to attempt to prove their points, but those stats are only tools to support their particular claim or to dispute another's--including ring counts.
There is no objective way to determine the GOAT, which is my point.
Back to Malone, a player does not magically become an all time great because his team wins. If Jordan misses that jumper against the Jazz, is Malone an all time great in your opinion? Is Malone suddenly "clutch"?
Sounds bad, but yea I’d have a hard time putting him ahead of all-time greats with rings if Terry misses the shot.
Your argument reminds me of those people getting all pissed because the final BCS rankings were determined by a midnight game between Hawaii and New Mexico State or some random game like that and their team got scratched. Ya know what, it was that close because you didn’t do enough to help your cause. If it’s that close and you come through (Jordan), congrats, good for you. If it’s that close and you narrowly lose (Malone), sorry but I don’t feel bad for you, and don’t think you deserve to be there.
Winners win. Losers say it was bad luck or blame it on a last second miss or a bad break.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:27 pm to dukke v
Wait, holy shite. You're laughing at the thought that Shaq is one of the greatest of all time?
I guess being the most dominant player in the league for 12-13 years in a row doesn't count as being one of the best ever.
I guess being the most dominant player in the league for 12-13 years in a row doesn't count as being one of the best ever.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:27 pm to dukke v
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Orlando JUST passed you as far as STACKED. Remember YOU said CHANDLER was NOTHING. The difference between SA and Dallas is the FACT that Dallas doesn't finish strong. SA does.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:30 pm to hendersonshands
I can admit, however, that I am slightly biased against Malone. I always liked him when he was playing and pulled for him to finally get his ring. Then I heard an interview after he was retired where someone asked if it bothered him if he never won a ring. He responded with something like “Nah man, it doesn’t bother me. I know what I did on the court, and I don’t need the ring”, that’s paraphrasing off the top of my head but that’s the gist of it. That just completely disgusted me personally. I never made it past high school sports and I’m still pissed we lost in the championship game. Something about Malone has irked me ever since I heard him say that.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:31 pm to FootballNostradamus
Well I'm sure he'd love to have won a championship but he's right, it doesn't take away from his legacy. It's not his fault Michael Jordan was around.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:35 pm to dukke v
I'm quite obviously talking about Mike, who some dumbass said had never beaten an elite center, so I named 2, then apologized for the derail of the slumber party pillow fight between the Dirk lovers and haters.
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:36 pm to ZenFNmaster
I mean honestly, who else could have I possibly been referring to ?
Posted on 5/10/11 at 1:53 pm to hendersonshands
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Well I'm sure he'd love to have won a championship but he's right, it doesn't take away from his legacy.
It's fine if to you it doesn't. To me and the rest of the world, it does.
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