re: Fill me in on Zion

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He'll be a 16-18 ppg and 10 rpg guy but certainly not a game changing, "once in a generation" type player that he's being hyped to be.

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And you base this on..what?

I think you’ll see that.

Look how thin guys like Kevin Love and Draymond green got

ya they really need to sell Zion on the dray skinny mode player.

imagine his hops with 20 lbs less holding him down. lmao.

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imagine his hops with 20 lbs less holding him down. lmao.

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The roof is the ceiling

LMAO. never seen that pic. dude has some bad posture. Chuck man.

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Fill me in on Zion

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you said he wasn't that great months ago and now you're on the bandwagon ??

lmao remind me to just ignore you in the future

Dude's a freak. But we really impressed me when going back and watching his highlights was his high level passing ability, handles, and basketball IQ.

Those are things that translate so well.

LINK

This is the best article I've seen about Zion. The numbers are from January 18, but they are all efficiency numbers, and they have barely changed from that day to the end of the season, as his averages stayed almost identical from 1/18 to the end of the year.

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If you believe the claims that the 6-foot-7, 285-pound Williamson has a 45-inch vertical (I do), he blows away the maximum vertical leaps of every other prospect listed at 240 pounds or more. Only Miles Plumlee and Semi Ojeleye (coincidentally, also former Blue Devils) even cracked 40 inches among the players in this group. Bigs known for being explosive leapers such as Blake Griffin (248 pounds, 35.5-inch max vert) and Dwight Howard (240, 35.5) come up about 40 pounds lighter and 10 inches shy of Williamson

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In fact, the only player in the entire database who had a better vert than Williamson was Kansas’s Kenny Gregory, an explosive 6-foot-5 wing who weighed 85 pounds less than Williamson and leaped just half an inch higher.

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Sports-Reference’s college basketball database contains statistics for every notable player, plus most of the ones from every major program, dating back to 1947-48. In that time, Williamson’s 68.4 percent effective field goal percentage is the third best posted by any 20-point scorer.

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Williamson was 111-for-144 (77.1 percent) on shots at the rim. That’s tied (with Wisconsin’s Ethan Happ) for the most shots made at the rim and is the fifth-best field goal percentage at the rim among players with 100-plus attempts there. The four players ahead of him all had fewer attempts, and also had more than half of their makes at the rim assisted. Williamson is unique in that he’s an incredible finisher, but he also creates a lot of his opportunities at the cup, shedding helpless defenders along the way. He’s been assisted on just 44.1 percent of his 111 makes at the basket.

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Zion is filling up the box score with averages of 21.2 points, 9.4 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 2.0 steals, and 1.9 blocks. This gives him a chance to become the only freshman on record to average at least 20-9-2-2-1. If you remove the assists minimum, and lessen the steals minimum to just one, he’s joined by Wayman Tisdale (three-time All-American), Lionel Simmons (National Player of the Year and third-leading scorer in Division I history), Kevin Durant (NBA MVP), Michael Beasley (All-American), and Lamine Diane (fellow 2018-19 freshman having a monster season at Cal State Northridge).

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If Williamson is able to bump his rebounding and shot-blocking numbers just slightly, he could become just the fifth player on record to average at least 20 PPG, 10 RPG, 2 BPG, and 2 SPG. None of the previous four (Lionel Simmons, David Robinson, Ron Harper, or Carey Scurry) did it in a major conference.

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Perhaps the most impressive statistics for Williamson are the ones that aim to capture overall value. The Sports-Reference site calculates John Hollinger’s player efficiency rating for all D-I players back to 2009-10. Over that span, he’s the only player with at least 400 minutes played to post a PER over 40.

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Offensive and defensive ratings are calculated by Sports-Reference for all college basketball players dating back to 2009-10. Offensive rating estimates the points produced by each player per 100 possessions, while defensive rating estimates the points per 100 possessions each player allows. Williamson has a 134.1 offensive rating and an 80.5 defensive rating. The gap between those numbers is simply astounding. Among players with 20-plus minutes per game since 2009-10, only Anthony Davis in 2011-12 and Cincinnati’s Gary Clark last season have had larger gaps. However, usage rate (the rate at which a player uses offensive possessions) is important context for offensive rating, since high efficiency is more difficult for high-usage players. So it’s important to note that Williamson’s gap is the best on record for a high-usage player.

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Box plus-minus, which can be calculated back to 2010-11, might just do the best job when it comes to encapsulating overall value and identifying outstanding players. The stat estimates how much better (or worse) a given player is than the average player over 100 possessions. Williamson is the only player to post a BPM over 20—meaning he’s more than 20 points better than an average player over 100 possessions—and the players behind him on the list are a who’s who of great college basketball players this decade.

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The guys immediately behind him on the list are Brandon Clarke, Anthony Davis, KAT, and Oladipo.