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Posted on 12/28/24 at 7:38 pm to GoGators1995
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Also I have to put my bias aside for 2013 FSU. I think every single starter was eventually drafted.
2013 FSU should have lost to a 2013 Auburn team that couldn't hold the 2010 Auburn team's jock, they don't belong on any best since 2000 bracket no matter how much NFL talent they had. Not well coached enough to take out the best teams since 2000.
They did have a heck of a defensive line that year though.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 12/28/24 at 7:49 pm to auyushu
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2013 FSU should have lost to a 2013 Auburn team that couldn't hold the 2010 Auburn team's jock, they don't belong on any best since 2000 bracket no matter how much NFL talent they had. Not well coached enough to take out the best teams since 2000.
They did have a heck of a defensive line that year though.
Well y'all had Damien Craig stealing their signals until halftime.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:49 am to TheGasMan
2010 Alabama destroyed Michigan state and Auburn beat them at BDS.
2010 Auburn also beat a spurrier-led South Carolina, that manhandled that Clemson team, not once but twice.
The SEC was ridiculously good in 2010. Going undefeated there meant something.
2010 Auburn also beat a spurrier-led South Carolina, that manhandled that Clemson team, not once but twice.
The SEC was ridiculously good in 2010. Going undefeated there meant something.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:55 am to Kinderman
2013 FSU doesnt belong
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:41 pm to Globetrotter747
quote:Lol weren't you just discounting their beat down of Florida because they weren't familiar with Nebraska offense?
What legends of the gridiron were on the 1995 K-State defense?
Any of the Selmon Bros.? Tony Casillas? Brian Bosworth? Steve Emtman? Cortez Kennedy? Michael Barrow? Deion Sanders? Derrick Brooks? Warren Sapp? Ray Lewis?
Anyone like that?
Those were the type of players on the defenses Osborne regularly faced from 1973-1994.
It was not the shitty Big 8 teams that gave Osborne trouble. Osborne was 25-0 against KSU for his career, and their 1995 D had one player drafted in the first round from 1996-1999 and he was a DB.
It was elite talent on defense combined with coaches familiar with the Nebraska style that gave Osborne fits. The 1995 team did not face the same caliber of defensive talent and competence as previous Husker teams.
BTW KSU number 1 total defense and number 1 rush defense had 3 ALL AMERICANS . KSU was extremely physical and contained Nebraska run game and Frazier torched them passing(screens and downfield)
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:00 pm to Boodis Man
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Let’s be honest, the offense dragged that team to the title
Let's be honest, after the Ole Miss game the Tiger defense found a new gear for the rest of the season.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 2:17 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Lol weren't you just discounting their beat down of Florida because they weren't familiar with Nebraska offense?
1995 Florida was not physical defensively, nor were they wise to the Nebraska offense. They were the product of a finesse, pass-oriented coaching style.
Miami, Florida State, and Oklahoma (Switzer years) had a lot of success against Nebraska because they had elite personnel up front (a lot of guys who are in the College and/or Pro Football HOF) and saw their offense regularly. They prepared to face Nebraska because (in those days) they knew they would see them in the regular season or Orange Bowl.
Nebraska damn near carried an eight game bowl losing streak into that Fiesta Bowl. If Miami hadn’t dropped off a bit offensively by 1994, they would have. All due to Miami and FSU stuffing their ground game with elite personnel and guys like Mickey Andrews and Jimmy Johnson.
Miami at its best was the kryptonite of both Nebraska and Oklahoma during their option years. They were too good up front and too familiar with both teams (Jimmy Johnson spent five years at Okie State in the old Big 8 before going to UM and held perhaps Nebraska’s best offense ever - with Turner Gill, Mike Rozier, Irving Fryar, and Dean Steinkuhler - to 14 pts. his last year in 1983) to give up many points.
Matchups matter a lot. The great 1985 Bears lone loss came against the team best equipped to beat the 46 defense: the Dolphins with prime Dan Marino and a quick passing game.
1995 Nebraska against an all-time great defensive front would struggle mightily to move the ball. A defense like 2021 UGA (with five first round picks on D the following spring and a hard-nosed, competent coach like Smart) would eat a fricking I formation offense up.
Lawrence Phillips, the colossal head case that he was, is not someone I bet on to respond like a winner and get tough yards with a bunch of future first round draft picks knocking the shite out of him.
From Osborne to Solicih, Nebraska struggled against defenses that could match them physically. Fortunately for the 1995 team, they did not play the kind of teams that gave Osborne fits.
I think many (if not most) of Osborne’s teams could have at least made it to the natty with the 1995 team’s schedule. No Switzer? No McCartney? No OOC opponent with more than six wins? No conference championship (doomed the 1996 team)? Just beat teams you beat literally every year (usually by obscene margins) for over a quarter century.
Sounds like smooth sailing to me.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:46 pm to Globetrotter747
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From Osborne to Solicih, Nebraska struggled against defenses that could match them physically.
Keep running away from the fact that Kansas State and their #1 total defense in the nation, #1 rush defense in the nation with 3 ALL AMERICANS did match them physically and contained the run(49 attempts for 190 yards) and it didn't matter Nebraska still mopped the floor with them scoring on D, Special Teams, and Frazier threw 4 tds
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:50 pm to Kinderman
2001 Miami needed an Ed Reed masterclass to keep from going down to Boston College
2019 LSU never had a single possession on defense in the 4th quarter where they had an OPPORTUNITY to lose the lead.
I’m a homer, but even if I wasn’t, it’s 2019 LSU
2019 LSU never had a single possession on defense in the 4th quarter where they had an OPPORTUNITY to lose the lead.
I’m a homer, but even if I wasn’t, it’s 2019 LSU
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 7:23 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Keep running away from the fact that Kansas State and their #1 total defense in the nation, #1 rush defense in the nation with 3 ALL AMERICANS
Behold the immortal legends of Tim Colston (undrafted), Percell Gaskins (4th rounder, ‘96), and Chris Canty (1st rounder, ‘97). Only one of these (Canty) was a consensus All-American, and he was a DB. Not much help against the running game.
Yeah, that’s not quite the caliber of defensive talent Nebraska faced during their 5-12 run against Switzer (including 1-4 the last five years from ‘84-‘88) and 1-8 bowl record against Miami and FSU from 1983-2001.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:26 am to Globetrotter747
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Behold the immortal legends of Tim Colston (undrafted), Percell Gaskins (4th rounder, ‘96), and Chris Canty (1st rounder, ‘97). Only one of these (Canty) was a consensus All-American, and he was a DB. Not much help against the running game.
Yeah, that’s not quite the caliber of defensive talent Nebraska faced during their 5-12 run against Switzer (including 1-4 the last five years from ‘84-‘88) and 1-8 bowl record against Miami and FSU from 1983-2001.
Lol what does the draft have to do with anything? We are talking about college teams you look silly trying to down play the best defense in the nation with 3 All Americans.
With that said them having 3 all Americans is actually not relevant either because the point [that you keep running from] is they accomplished EXACTLY what you claim OU, Miami and FSU would do and still got stomped
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:39 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Lol what does the draft have to do with anything?
The best college teams of all-time tend to have a lot of players capable of playing against the best of the best.
2001 Miami, 2019 LSU, 2020 Alabama, etc.
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We are talking about college teams you look silly trying to down play the best defense in the nation with 3 All Americans.
1. One All-American.
2. Nebraska beat Kansas State every year from 1969-1997. That’s 29 years and 6 presidential administrations. It wasn’t KSU standing in the way of Nebraska for most of Osborne’s tenure. It was peak Oklahoma under Switzer with tons of great players: Selmon Bros., Billy Sims, Brian Bosworth, and countless others.
Nebraska getting through the Big 8 unscathed was immensely easier in 1995 without having to deal with Switzer, or even McCartney.
Osborne was 12-15-1 against Switzer and McCartney. He was 137-8-1 against everyone and everything else in the Big 8. But yeah, didn’t matter at all that those two were out of the picture.
A lot of Nebraska teams in the Osborne era would have trounced the 1995 team’s schedule.
The 1995 team also didn’t have to deal with a conference championship. The 1996 team would have played for a shot at national title had they not been upset by Texas in the Big XII CG, giving up 500+ yards of offense. That’s a game the 1995 team didn’t have to worry about.
The 1982 team (one of Osborne’s best) had to play national champion Penn State on the road in the regular season. The 1995 team played no OOC opponent with more than six wins.
All the 1995 team had to do was beat teams they had 20+ game winning streaks against and nothing else.
And what’s so amazing about their personnel? Take the 2011 Alabama defense against them. They cut their teeth defending Tim Tebow and Cam Newton. Tommie Frazier doesn’t have shite on those guys. But 1995 Florida wouldn’t have seen anything like it. Reggie Baul and Clester Johnson? Yeah, that’s really scary for guys who saw Julio Jones every day. Lawrence Phillips? He couldn’t hack it in the NFL when he wasn’t playing Kansas anymore and he had to deal with some adversity. OL? The 2011 Bama D regularly faced players that would make up maybe the best OL in CFB history in 2012.
1995 Nebraska had nothing offensively that would surprise or trouble the most physical Alabama and Georgia defenses of the last 15 years or so.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:50 am to udtiger
2019 LSU beats 2001 Miami
Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:44 am to VADawg
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2013 FSU would beat them in the semis.
LOL No
Posted on 12/30/24 at 9:52 am to Hateradedrink
Using the transitive property twice, but not using the results of the actual Clemson-Auburn game that was played in 2010. That’s a new one.
Clemson 2018 rolls Auburn Cam by a bigger margin than they mercy kneeled one of the GOAT Bama teams that same year.
Clemson 2018 rolls Auburn Cam by a bigger margin than they mercy kneeled one of the GOAT Bama teams that same year.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 9:55 am to made4lsu
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LSU would wreck that Miami team.
LSU wouldn't escape Tebow and company.
LSU fans conveniently forget how many close games that team had most of the season and focus on the easy path through the playoffs they had.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:42 am to TripleBarrelBluff1
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LSU fans conveniently forget how many close games that team had most of the season
Well that's just not true. They had close games against the highly ranked teams they played but blew out the not so good teams they played.
2001 Miami beat #14 VaTech at the end of the year by 2 points and struggled against average Boston College...and after that game?.....
beat #14 Syracuse and #11 Washington 65-7.....The combined 124–7 score is an NCAA record for largest margin of victory over consecutive ranked opponents.
Miami could be lazy and take games for granted but when it was a ranked opponent, they could turn it on.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 10:43 am
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:17 pm to Globetrotter747
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The best college teams of all-time tend to have a lot of players capable of playing against the best of the best.
2001 Miami, 2019 LSU, 2020 Alabama, etc.
Who did 01 Miami play that had so many NFL Players? 8 win FSU lolololol
quote:3 LINK
1. One All-American.
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2. Nebraska beat Kansas State every year from 1969-1997. That’s 29 years and 6 presidential administrations. It wasn’t KSU standing in the way of Nebraska for most of Osborne’s tenure.
How many of those 29 years did KSU have the #1 D, #1 rush D, and 3 All Americans on.D? Just 1 which is the year we are talking about
quote:Lol your evidence is them losing to Tebow and Cam in years prior? BTW please remind me what Georgia Southern did to that Bama team?
And what’s so amazing about their personnel? Take the 2011 Alabama defense against them. They cut their teeth defending Tim Tebow and Cam Newton. Tommie Frazier doesn’t have shite on those guys.
quote:Again you dont want to confront the fact that KSU accomplished exactly what you are saying these teams would do and still got the shite kicked out of them.
1995 Nebraska had nothing offensively that would surprise or trouble the most physical Alabama and Georgia defenses of the last 15 years or so.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:39 pm to Hateradedrink
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2010 Auburn would destroy 2013 FSU and 2018 Clemson, at the very least.
2010 AU nearly lost 4 or 5 games. They would get wiped out by 2018 clemson and probably 2013 FSU too.
Also it's always funny to me seeing 2001 UM always ranked so highly in shite like this. They get the reputation they do simply becuase of how all those guys did in teh pros. Guys like willis mcgahee and sean taylor were on the roster but they barely played since they were FR. The fact they went on to be megastars in the pros has nothing to do with 2001 Miami.
And tha'ts not to say they weren't great, because they were great. But they aren't the GOAT as some try to claim. They were up by 5 points with 1 minute left against a BC team that would barely finish above .500. They had to hang on to win by 2 against a VT team that finished 6-6. In the national title game they got paired up wiht a nebraska team that just had 62 points put on them in their CCG.
They don't hold a candle to 1995 Nebraska (the actual GOAT without question) and as time goes on I'm inclined to believe 2022 UGA had the better resume than them as well.
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