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re: "Every Big Ten athletic director was in favor of playing a fall football season."
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:26 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:26 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Hate to see it!
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:31 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Hate to see it!
You'll hate to see it even more if the Progs parlay the B1G and PAC-12 shutdown into shutting down all NCAA football.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:33 am to sms151t
quote:That's exactly what happened. Michigan etc appealed to the Big 10, and the conference chose to show solidarity and support them. And that support came from the other institutions agreeing to do so.
People are forgetting there’s state regulations that still need to be followed and they won’t allow MI IL and others to play.
Imagine if the SEC played but the state of Alabama shut it down; Alabama and Auburn would be SEVERELY harmed. Might take a decade or more to recover. Recruiting would be destroyed, etc. The SEC would weigh that vs banding together and riding the storm out for a year.
This is what happened to the Big 10. They protected the institutions in states that are cancelling.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:36 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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You'll hate to see it even more if the Progs parlay the B1G and PAC-12 shutdown into shutting down all NCAA football.
Well that’s a bridge I’ll cross when I get to it!
But for now?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:13 am to Scoob
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That's exactly what happened. Michigan etc appealed to the Big 10, and the conference chose to show solidarity and support them. And that support came from the other institutions agreeing to do so.
Got a link to any published report that supports your assumption?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:24 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I’m not sure I believe this.
Did we hear any of the ADs speaking up? Or were they too scared say anything in fear of losing their jobs?
I’ll go w the latter. It’s way too convenient at this time to suddenly say something about wanting the football season.
Did we hear any of the ADs speaking up? Or were they too scared say anything in fear of losing their jobs?
I’ll go w the latter. It’s way too convenient at this time to suddenly say something about wanting the football season.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:59 am to Buckeye Jeaux
If the SEC/ACC/Big12 keep moving toward playing, that conference could gain a lot more respect by just shite canning Warren and moving ahead with a season. How long can this pissed off conjecture go on?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 11:07 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Just using common sense, but for fun, this is taken from the SEC Rant:quote:
That's exactly what happened. Michigan etc appealed to the Big 10, and the conference chose to show solidarity and support them. And that support came from the other institutions agreeing to do so.
Got a link to any published report that supports your assumption?
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States with a Republican governor not playing high school football this fall:
Maryland
States with Democratic governors not playing high school football this fall:
Pennsylvania (The battle is ongoing with the governor recommending no fall football)
Michigan
Virginia
Minnesota
North Carolina
Nevada
Illinois
California
Oregon
Colorado
Washington
Hawaii
Nevada
New Mexico
Delaware
LINK
So, in Big 10 country, you have the following states NOT allowing high school, and thus also not likely allowing college games either, to prevent gatherings...
Maryland, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois.
That would mean Maryland, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Illinois, and Northwestern could all have been facing a "stand down" order from the governor; at the very least there would be considerable pressure and conflict. Rutgers is yet to be determined. That's 7-8 conference teams, including several big players and a number of original members.
That explains the initial silence. Ohio State and Nebraska are casualties by association; Nebraska being new to the Big 10 was less inclined to go along with it.
If half the conference were to play and the other half shuts it down, competitive balance is destroyed as far as recruiting. You're a recruit, you're going to the school that played this fall, not the one that skipped it.
Nebraska going against the grain is interesting, as doing so would have been a HUGE boost to their recruiting, and help restore the program. Could absolutely see how they'd want to, and why the Big 10 threatened to eject them.
The problem with this, is that the SEC and Big 12 are going full steam ahead. I could see the ACC wavering late, as potentially Boston College, Virginia, Syracuse and potentially Pitt and 1-2 NC schools might back out. But the SEC won't quit unless death rates spike bigtime, which isn't happening... and thus would extend their lead over the Big 10 to almost untouchable levels.
In 1-2 years, we're all going to look back on this as unnecessary overreaction, I'd be willing to bet my retirement on that. And when that occurs, those that played will be WAY ahead of those that didn't play, as far as recruiting. It's not just about playing for a title or getting to the NFL, it's about possibly not playing again in the future.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 11:29 am to slackster
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Anyone with a brain knows exactly what this is - The Big 10 has shite on it's face, and the man paid to eat shite in times like this is the commissioner. This is no different than Goodell being a highly paid whipping boy.
How do people not get this? There's a bunch of retards on the loose. This is exactly what they wanted. It's not rocket science.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 11:30 am to James11111
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Kevin Warren is a fricking retard.
An Affirmative Action hire.
Probably can't count to 10 like me.
This haiku is the perfect example of someone who doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground. How can you be so dumb?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 11:44 am to Scoob
When you see the list of No HS Football states, you see why the Pac 12 and Mountain West all shut it down too.
Pac 12 schools-
USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Washington St, Colorado.
MWC schools-
Air Force*, Colorado State, Fresno State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Hawaii.
Note: Air Force, a national service academy, still plans on playing.
Conferences that will be playing, with schools in those states:
ACC- Pitt, Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia, Virginia Tech. (This is why I don't trust them fully. Throw Syracuse and Boston College into that, and you have 9 potential defections).
SEC- Zero teams.
Big 12: Zero teams
AAC: East Carolina, Temple, Navy* (the service academies are going forward with football, and I don't think the states will dare frick with them).
C-USA: Charlotte, Old Dominion
Sun Belt: Appalachian State
Pac 12 schools-
USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Washington St, Colorado.
MWC schools-
Air Force*, Colorado State, Fresno State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Hawaii.
Note: Air Force, a national service academy, still plans on playing.
Conferences that will be playing, with schools in those states:
ACC- Pitt, Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia, Virginia Tech. (This is why I don't trust them fully. Throw Syracuse and Boston College into that, and you have 9 potential defections).
SEC- Zero teams.
Big 12: Zero teams
AAC: East Carolina, Temple, Navy* (the service academies are going forward with football, and I don't think the states will dare frick with them).
C-USA: Charlotte, Old Dominion
Sun Belt: Appalachian State
Posted on 8/23/20 at 11:48 am to lsufanva
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Politicians and their power/influence on presidents are the sleaze here not Warren.
Also let’s not pretend that big university presidents are not politicians themselves
Posted on 8/23/20 at 11:57 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Nope. All of them were in favor according to the Nebraska beat writer. And they were kept separate from the admins and the medical people
Maybe AD’s but the presidents were the ones that agreed to cancel. This is them trying to shite the blame.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 12:03 pm to Scoob
Your list may be a little out of date. For instance, Pennsylvania green-lighted high school football this weekend.
But you didn't provide any link to refute the article in the OP. The main point of the article is that Warren kept the admin, AD's, and medical people separated. And that the AD's ALL were in favor of keeping the Fall season.
Warren pulled a fast one. And he's toast.
But you didn't provide any link to refute the article in the OP. The main point of the article is that Warren kept the admin, AD's, and medical people separated. And that the AD's ALL were in favor of keeping the Fall season.
Warren pulled a fast one. And he's toast.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 12:41 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Yes but who hired him?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 12:43 pm to MetrySaint24
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Yes but who hired him?
Why?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 12:43 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
If you are trying to tell me that Wisconsin's President doesn't have Wisconsin's ADs phone number and doesn't have ongoing texts and conversations with him throughout the summer and weeks about playing football during Covid i think that you are kidding yourself.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 12:45 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
if all you're saying is true dude why don't they just remove him immediately and play
Posted on 8/23/20 at 12:46 pm to MetrySaint24
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If you are trying to tell me that Wisconsin's President doesn't have Wisconsin's ADs phone number and doesn't have ongoing texts and conversations with him throughout the summer and weeks about playing football during Covid i think that you are kidding yourself.
There was no vote by the presidents - or anyone else. The meeting was a sham.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 2:09 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Ok, simple enough. The new commish has acted arbitrarily and against the will of every member institution, in an action that will cause extreme harm (many millions of dollars per school), by altering/stopping the fall college season.
There was no vote by the presidents - or anyone else. The meeting was a sham.
I'm pretty sure that's grounds for immediate removal, lawsuits from every university, and an immediate restoration of schedule.
Why hasn't this been done NOW?
I'll answer- because the institutions involved (other than Nebraska) were originally on board with delaying the season. Any other answer is not credible.
There is no national federal emergency order stopping sports, in fact the president has urged teams to resume play. The Big 10 is a sports-based association. You're saying that this man came in and killed the primary reason for the Big 10's continued existence (college football) against the wishes of the schools, and it's taken a fricking WEEK for them to figure out they've been sabotaged?
Not a chance.
This post was edited on 8/23/20 at 2:20 pm
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