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re: ESPN 30 for 30: O.J. Made In America
Posted on 6/16/16 at 1:55 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 6/16/16 at 1:55 pm to MontyFranklyn
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It is, but along the way blacks have taken some very painful defeats along the way.
They have, you're exactly right, and they're despicable. My point is that if you think he was guilty and this was still a win in the long run, you're mistaken. More accurately, you won the battle but it put you in a worse position in the war.
Let me reiterate - this is all predicated on the idea that there were many people who celebrated despite the fact they thought OJ was guilty. If that wasn't the case, then it is a moot point.
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:00 pm to RDRGeaux09
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It wasn't about celebrating that. It was about seeing, for the first time, the justice system act the way it was intended to act for a black person. The prosecution's job was to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that OJ killed them. They failed to do that in the mind of the jury. The defense provided enough testimony to give the jurors pause. That's how things are suppose to work. Black people have never seen that side of the justice system work until the OJ trial
I can live with this, although his victory had as much or more to do with his socioeconomic status as it did with the color of his skin.
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People that didn't want him to be guilty never ingested the facts the way a relatively disinterested individual did. So quite literally they didn't know deep down he was guilty because they never allowed themselves to get to that point.
I can live with this too, and this is mostly the vibe I get from the documentary. Even if someone was so shallow as to think that because OJ was black and they're black, he's innocent, it is still light years better than celebrating a murderer getting off as retaliation for years of injustices.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:09 pm to slackster
quote:Correct, and maybe if the voice of whites standing against injustices to blacks was a bit louder we could stand on common grounds.
They have, you're exactly right, and they're despicable.
quote:What else can you do to us? You have tried everything you possibly could to wipe us from existence and it hasn't worked. What is next, a race war to obliterate us? Bring it on. We won't lay down and we taking a hell of a lot you with us along the way.
My point is that if you think he was guilty and this was still a win in the long run, you're mistaken. More accurately, you won the battle but it put you in a worse position in the war.
quote:And we saw plenty of people celebrate young black men being killed by whites still today as we did back in the 1800s. We know where we stand with you.
Let me reiterate - this is all predicated on the idea that there were many people who celebrated despite the fact they thought OJ was guilty. If that wasn't the case, then it is a moot point.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:11 pm to slackster
quote:I don't see any black person being convicted if the majority of the jury is black. jmo though
I can live with this, although his victory had as much or more to do with his socioeconomic status as it did with the color of his skin.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:15 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:What in the world?
And we saw plenty of people celebrate young black men being killed by whites still today as we did back in the 1800s. We know where we stand with you.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:16 pm to MontyFranklyn
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What else can you do to us? You have tried everything you possibly could to wipe us from existence and it hasn't worked. What is next, a race war to obliterate us? Bring it on. We won't lay down and we taking a hell of a lot you with us along the way.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:18 pm to BilJ
Ehhh, feel like this thread has jumped the shark.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:20 pm to MontyFranklyn
First of all, I'm not trying to be insensitive. I'm genuinely trying to grasp all sides of this.
I used a battle/war analogy to explain the short and long term impacts of the decision. The decision did nothing to improve race relations, and if anything it showed that racism is just as alive on both sides of the fence.
And they're called out on it all the time. If you think celebrating the OJ verdict because a black man got away with murder is justifiable, you're part of the problem. There is no one in this thread siding with the cops in the Rodney King trial. No one has suggested the Asian woman's punishment was acceptable. Hell, we're all looking back with horror at those events and reactions, and in that same vein, so to should you if you think people were glad to see a murderer get away with it because he was black.
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What else can you do to us? You have tried everything you possibly could to wipe us from existence and it hasn't worked. What is next, a race war to obliterate us? Bring it on. We won't lay down and we taking a hell of a lot you with us along the way.
I used a battle/war analogy to explain the short and long term impacts of the decision. The decision did nothing to improve race relations, and if anything it showed that racism is just as alive on both sides of the fence.
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And we saw plenty of people celebrate young black men being killed by whites still today as we did back in the 1800s. We know where we stand with you.
And they're called out on it all the time. If you think celebrating the OJ verdict because a black man got away with murder is justifiable, you're part of the problem. There is no one in this thread siding with the cops in the Rodney King trial. No one has suggested the Asian woman's punishment was acceptable. Hell, we're all looking back with horror at those events and reactions, and in that same vein, so to should you if you think people were glad to see a murderer get away with it because he was black.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:22 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I don't see any black person being convicted if the majority of the jury is black. jmo though
You might be right, but I'm focused on the reasoning. Is black John Doe getting off because they think the police framed him and he's actually innocent, or is black John Doe getting off because they're simply not going to convict a black man.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:36 pm to slackster
quote:I think it is disgusting all around and how OJ slowly became more disgusting afterwards was hard to watch. His kids are the biggest victims in all of this to me. He was a very shitty father and that is what stands out to me the most.
First of all, I'm not trying to be insensitive. I'm genuinely trying to grasp all sides of this.
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What else can you do to us? You have tried everything you possibly could to wipe us from existence and it hasn't worked. What is next, a race war to obliterate us? Bring it on. We won't lay down and we taking a hell of a lot you with us along the way.
I used a battle/war analogy to explain the short and long term impacts of the decision. The decision did nothing to improve race relations, and if anything it showed that racism is just as alive on both sides of the fence.
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And we saw plenty of people celebrate young black men being killed by whites still today as we did back in the 1800s. We know where we stand with you.
And they're called out on it all the time. If you think celebrating the OJ verdict because a black man got away with murder is justifiable, you're part of the problem. There is no one in this thread siding with the cops in the Rodney King trial. No one has suggested the Asian woman's punishment was acceptable. Hell, we're all looking back with horror at those events and reactions, and in that same vein, so to should you if you think people were glad to see a murderer get away with it because he was black.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:37 pm to MontyFranklyn
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What else can you do to us? You have tried everything you possibly could to wipe us from existence and it hasn't worked.
There you have it. A modern interpretation of history which completely ignores the majority of white people first being against slavery, then jim crow and now against any use of the law which is unequal. Yes, that's right. None of that happened. White people are devils. Yes, we all go to bed at night fulminating against the decent treatment of black people and raging against miscegenation. Hoo eee. Yeee haw.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 2:38 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I think it is disgusting all around and how OJ slowly became more disgusting afterwards was hard to watch. His kids are the biggest victims in all of this to me. He was a very shitty father and that is what stands out to me the most.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:25 pm to 504Voodoo
Anyone know if you can download the ESPN app to XBOX One And watch them all? Gonna try in a little bit
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:31 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Yes it is available for xbox1
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:41 pm to MontyFranklyn
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What else can you do to us? You have tried everything you possibly could to wipe us from existence and it hasn't worked. What is next, a race war to obliterate us? Bring it on. We won't lay down and we taking a hell of a lot you with us along the way.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:42 pm to Spinthemusic
On a non racial note Ron Goldmans childhood home is down the street from me. He went to the same jr high and high school as me. I am 20 years younger than him
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:24 pm to Statsattack
Talk about wrong place, wrong time. Dude gets his head sliced off while returning Nicole's glasses from a restaurant.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:25 pm to slackster
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Let me reiterate - this is all predicated on the idea that there were many people who celebrated despite the fact they thought OJ was guilty. If that wasn't the case, then it is a moot point.
Most black people at the time really thought he was framed. There were books written after the trial that really analyzed the DNA evidence and whatnot and explained definitively that he was 100% guilty. But there was reasonable doubt at the time. It looks silly today in hindsight. But the investigation was embarrassingly sloppy.
Also Mark Fuhrman pleading the 5th when he got back on the stand and was asked if he planted evidence was a huge issue. That gave the jury what they needed as far as the LAPD planting the bloody glove (that didn't even fit
)Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:40 pm to tigerpimpbot
That's kind of what I was getting at earlier. I can appreciate all of the different ways it can be spun and the celebration that would come from a not guilty verdict. What I cannot understand is someone who truly thought he was guilty yet still celebrated as if it was some sort of victory over injustice.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:44 pm to Bench McElroy
OJ's lawyers were pieces of shite. Weird thing is two of them died of the cancer
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