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re: Dwight Howard is unhappy in Houston

Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:59 am to
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:59 am to
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11 diff starting lineups this season I'd love to see a team with more who is playing better.


Easy to generate different starting lineups when your "superstar" Center decides back-to-backs aren't part of the plan to start the season.

Good thing you have skills comp winner Pat Bev at your disposal to integrate all those combinations both offensively and defensively.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:00 am to
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So in other words, a Seahwaks fan who said they'd make the playoffs after their 0-2 start was being illogical and ignorant considering
This is a poor comparison.

The margin of error for a sample size of 2 out of 16 is more than 4 times the margin of error for a sample size of 26 out of 82.

In other words, 2 games in an NFL season is not only a far smaller percentage of the whole season (12.5%) compared to 26 games of an NBA season (31.7%), the sample size difference, irrespective of the size of the season, makes the NFL example far more variable.

I'm sure you knew all that when making such a dumb comparison though.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 11:08 am
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:06 am to
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Easy to generate different starting lineups when your "superstar" Center decides back-to-backs aren't part of the plan to start the season.


Several players have missed several games not just D12.

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Good thing you have skills comp winner Pat Bev at your disposal to integrate all those combinations both offensively and defensively.

one of the players referenced above.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:08 am to
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BUT what really makes your comparison poor, is that the Seahawks played the Bengals and Panthers,


The two losses were against the Rams and Packers, try again.

You- Panthers are 0-2 and still have to play Carolina and the Bengals my numbers say they won't make the playoffs.

Someone who uses common sense - Oh it's early in the season who cares if they're 0-2 they will get it together and make the playoffs. They are too good.

This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 11:10 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112848 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:09 am to
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Nope. Better fact check before you come with something like that. Check the schedule bro.

He did, missed 8 games, they lost 7. I said around 7 and they lost most of em, so not "nope", actually yep.

Nice try.

Your comparison isn't remotely close either, wayyyyyy too many differences in the 2.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 11:18 am
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:11 am to
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The two losses were against the Rams and Packers, try again.
Yeah I caught that but the Rams and Packers have a combined winning percentage of 53.8%. The record of the Rockets's opponents is .466, the worst in the league.

Regardless your comparison is dumb due to the sample size difference.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:13 am to
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Someone who uses common sense - Oh it's early in the season who cares if they're 0-2 they will get it together and make the playoffs. They are too good
And regardless, you showed it yourself that this is a rare event. You can't argue that something WILL happen because it HAS happened infrequently.

Besides, Houston will probably make the playoffs, given that a losing record may get it. But that doesn't negate your poor reasoning, not to mention your 60+ win prediction.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:41 am to
Right. They won't win 60 games. You got me.
Posted by goldenbadger08
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:42 pm to
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11 diff starting lineups this season I'd love to see a team with more who is playing better.
First off, you were talking about their "no" roster continuity.. They returned 79% of their roster in Ariza, Beverly, Jones, Howard, Harden, Capela, Moti, Terry, McDaniels, and Brewer. Only Golden State, Chicago, Atlanta, OKC, Memphis and Orlando returned better. Including the coach. Furthermore, their most frequent starting line up this year is 4/5 the same as the most frequent last year and the 5th was on the team last year. So yes, they do have quite a bit of continuity.

To your different starting lineups point, the Clippers have had 10, Cleveland 8, Atlanta 7, San Antonio, Indiana and Memphis 6.. Not as many as Houston, but quite a few and they all have a better record than Houston. Also for the record, the team with the worst record in the West has had only had 4 different lineups which is less than the Warriors, so the number of different lineups is basically irrelevant.

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Better fact check before you come with something like that.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:47 pm to
I'd love to see a team with more who is playing better.

don't see this bro the rest of your post is just noise

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Also for the record, the team with the worst record in the West has had only had 4 different lineups which is less than the Warriors, so the number of different lineups is basically irrelevant.
you're a hack bro
Posted by goldenbadger08
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:52 pm to
Boom logic:
LA Lakers: 4 Different Starting Lineups
Golden State: 6 Different Starting Lineups

"Golden State has no continuity.

Er.. wait.. they returned 96% of their roster.. shite.. "

This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:06 pm to
Golden state had 2 different starting lineups the first 20 games..lots of time for the team to settle into rotations. Oh wait they were already established 2 years ago. Obv tons of continuity with that squad.

Houston had 8. Pretty easy to see the difference. . HOU has guys playing together who hadn't played together before. Harrell, Capela, Lawson, etc all playing big minutes. Motiejunas and Bev who played big minutes last season were out. D12 missing a couple games at the beginning.. Throw in a new coach installing plays and guys running the plays in games who haven't ran them in practice becuase they've been hurt.etc.etc.

This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290815 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:07 pm to
rust is real
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:08 pm to
yea no shite, we both saw who won the series after HOU knocked the rust off.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64515 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:18 pm to
Well that was predictable
Posted by goldenbadger08
Sorting Out MSB BS Since 2011
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:29 pm to
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HOU has guys playing together who hadn't played together before.
Except their most frequent starting lineup features 5 players that were on the team last year, 4 of which were on the most frequent starting lineup last year..
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:38 pm to
Most frequent meaning what 5 games, 6 games? When the MOST frequent lineup starts ~20% of the games together you're proving my point for me. Thanks brother.
Posted by goldenbadger08
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:50 pm to
Players from every starting lineup this season:
Ariza
Beverly
Capela
Harden
Howard
Lawson
Thornton
Jones
Terry
Motiejunas
Brewer

Of those 11, ~81% are returning from last season. The point is, nearly the same players as last year are starting and playing together and yet their production is much worse.

Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:55 pm to
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ariza
Beverly
Capela
Harden
Howard
Lawson
Thornton
Jones
Terry
Motiejunas
Brewer


You would have a point if Howard and Jones didn't miss half of last season, and Bev and Motiejunas didn't miss the end of the regular season + playoffs. Capela didn't play until the playoffs. Those guys were all on the roster last season but there's always been at least 2 guys out for the most part. Wouldn't expect you to be able to keep up though since you don't follow the team.


The Pelicans have most of the same players from last years team too. Have they ever all played together, not much. Not even close. Clutch City is similar.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 1:57 pm
Posted by goldenbadger08
Sorting Out MSB BS Since 2011
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:59 pm to
So now your argument is you do have continuity and it's actually injuries from last season that are at fault for the Rockets struggling this season?
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