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re: Dr. Chao breaks down the Durant injury and medical decision making
Posted on 6/11/19 at 5:08 pm to EarlyCuyler3
Posted on 6/11/19 at 5:08 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Someone who isnt Kwai cant do something like that and get away with it.
What is the organization going to do? Press charges against a player for getting a second opinion?
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 5:53 pm to lsupride87
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Not me. I beleive it is simply their duty to be honest to the player
If they were honest to KD and this happened, so be it
If they were honest to KD but simply wrong in their diagnosis, they blew it but everyone in any profession is wrong at certain times. It sucks
If they were dishonest with KD, kill them
I agree with all of this.
What I thought was crazy is they were basically running ISOs for KD from the jump. Kerr ran him hard and he was raining 3s early, but it was just weird to run him full throttle that early after missing so much time.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 6:07 pm to BigBrod81
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What is the organization going to do? Press charges against a player for getting a second opinion?
Play hardball in negotiations, reduce his minutes, trade him. They have plenty of options.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 6:15 pm to tigerpimpbot
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What I thought was crazy is they were basically running ISOs for KD from the jump. Kerr ran him hard and he was raining 3s early, but it was just weird to run him full throttle that early after missing so much time.
Durant is more of an iso player than the rest of the Warriors. Curry, Thompson, Dray and Iggy are more ball movement, but Durant runs a ton of iso sets. He is very good at getting the ball and attacking.
Kerr just played him normally, and his achilles couldn't take it. He didn't even blow it out coming down from a particularly high jump or something.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 6:16 pm to tigerskin
Sometimes all you need is a little common sense.
My dad, who is not a doctor, said yesterday way before the game began that they were stupid and watch him blow his Achilles out. Prophetic.. most of us thought it was possible to happen as to the type injury he sustained not even a month earlier which affected his Achilles in every way.
Prophetic..
My dad, who is not a doctor, said yesterday way before the game began that they were stupid and watch him blow his Achilles out. Prophetic.. most of us thought it was possible to happen as to the type injury he sustained not even a month earlier which affected his Achilles in every way.
Prophetic..
Posted on 6/11/19 at 6:16 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Play hardball in negotiations
With a free agent who will be able to sign with any team once the season ends?
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reduce his minutes
If said player is injured, you think he would give a frick about reduced minutes?
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trade him
Yeah do the player a huge favor. I'm hurt yet you want me to play? Thanks.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:29 pm to BigBrod81
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Said player is also capable of getting a professional 2nd & 3rd opinion if need be. With as much money as KD had riding on his health going to this offseason, you would have to believe he received other professional orthopedic opinions & not just based his decision to play in game 5 on those of the team physicians.
Sometimes it's going to tear no matter what. I'm not privy to any scans etc, but once there's a weakening there's no way to tell when it's one hundred percent. May appear perfect on MRI, no pain, full range of motion and still pop. Just like those guys with no systems and it suddenly blows up during an explosive movement. I wouldn't be pointing any fingers right now.
Every since he was in college, I've been looking at his skinny arse legs and wondering how something hasn't blown out. I'm amazed it took this long.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:24 pm to tigerskin
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He is not pointing fingers but feels there was a partial Achilles injury a month ago, and now a full tear.
That’s what was so curious about “it’s a calf strain.”
Anything more than a minor grade one strain and you’re starting to get a certain percentage of the tissue torn (a grade one is generally considered less than 5 percent of the fibers torn).
As Durant missed multiple weeks we can likely assume it was probably in the lower-moderate grade II strain realm...where a minimal to moderate amount of fibers were compromised in his calf.
The calf muscle is connected to your heel by YOUR ACHILLES TENDON.
I’d bet my mortgage payment that the soft tissue of his tendonwas compromised in some fashion as well. Or his “calf strain” involved some of the fibers that blend with the tendon.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:30 am to BigBrod81
They aren't all free agents when this stuff happens genius. That's a current KD specific issue. And yeah they do care about minutes when healthy. Use some common sense, you might like it.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 4:49 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Play hardball in negotiations, reduce his minutes, trade him. They have plenty of options.
Dude. KD is a free agent. None of those things wouldve stopped him from getting a max contract
Posted on 6/12/19 at 5:24 pm to tigerskin
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Dr. Chao
Posted on 6/12/19 at 5:35 pm to shel311
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Not just that, but dude has as an entire team overseeing virtually everything for him. From his agent to managers to whoever else...not that they make the call, but they can be in his ear as well as the team.
But at the end of the day, if he's medically cleared and fully understand what that entailed, I don't see the issue.
Feels like this is just part of today's culture of someone always have to be blamed for something. There doesn't automatically have to be anyone to blame. Until we get news that says otherwise, it's no one's fault IMO.
Nailed it. And EarlyCuyler3 is an idiot.
Steve Kerr says the decision for KD to play was collaborative effort by the Warriors management, their training staff/doctors as well Durant, his agent & hired doctors by Durant's agent who also cleared KD to play. (Kerr begins to discuss the Durant situation around the 4:00 mark)
Steve Kerr press conference
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:47 pm to BigBrod81
Talcum X just went in on the white privelege NBA fans for jeering KD 
But but the raptors fan base is so diverse! Blacks, whites and azn’s eating poutine together pregame!
What a fricking clown. Really feel for those who believe this guy “fights the good fight.”
But but the raptors fan base is so diverse! Blacks, whites and azn’s eating poutine together pregame!
What a fricking clown. Really feel for those who believe this guy “fights the good fight.”
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:55 pm to lsupride87
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Not disagreeing
But I dont think its the medical teams job to "protect the player"
It should be their job to simply be honest with the player
I disagree a bit.
If they think the injury is serious enough they can NOT clear the player to play.
It’s really of KDs hands at that point.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 3:00 am to BigBrod81
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Nailed it. And EarlyCuyler3 is an idiot.
Ok, so the Warriors bucked the trend here?
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The frustration on the Spurs' end stems from losing control of the medical care of their franchise player, and the way in which the entire process has been handled by Leonard's representation, according to multiple sources.
I cant help you cant comprehend a simple point, you moron.
Maybe you can understand this:
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But players face certain ugly realities. Some teams are not welcoming of second opinions, or happy about their obligation to pay for them under the CBA, or at the prospect of yielding control, according to several player agents. Certain team doctors “get their noses out of joint,” said Rick Smith, whose Chicago-based agency Priority Sports & Entertainment represents more than 70 NFL players. Smith demands his clients receive an MRI and second opinion for every injury. He estimates they diverge from the club physician’s opinion “four to five times out of every 25.”
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Not all players feel secure enough to challenge club authority by requesting outside advice, much less following it. Former defensive back Fred Smoot, who retired in 2009 after nine seasons, said he never sought a second opinion and that players can feel self-conscious on the subject. “It’s an uncomfortable position to be in because it looks like you might not have a lot of faith in the training and medical staff,” he said. “It was one of those unspoken things, never really talked about. People just knew not to do it.”
Source
Why you choose to argue such an obvious point is beyond me.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 3:35 am
Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:44 am to EarlyCuyler3
The thing that's crazy is that it wasn't just one game, KD was theoretically coming back for THREE games. Makes it even more risky
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:51 am to S
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Talcum X
Your butler still reading that shite?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:04 am to DeionDeion
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ets be honest, any doctor/radiologist worth their salt can diagnose a achilles tear on MRI. these doctors are in charge of the best athletes in the world. there is no way they misdiagnosed a tear. a 4th year med student/first year resident can diagnose a tear
medical professionals are taught to give the patient all of the facts and then tell them their recommendations of management/treatment. however, the patient has autonomy to say how they want to be treated. this is how medicine works
these docs take care of multi-million dollar athletes. they didn't get the diagnosis wrong & they didn't mislead KD. that's malpractice. they knew exactly what happened with KD's calf, told him of the risks, & KD & company chose to play anyway
Exactly. This is not a vague type of diagnosis. You can see it crystal clear on the image.
All this “misleading and who dunnit” is just for ratings.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:31 am to SECdragonmaster
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any doctor/radiologist worth their salt can diagnose a achilles tear on MRI
An MRI is not required. There's a simple test that confirms an achilles rupture. Stand up and put the injured leg knee down on a chair. The doctor then squeezes the calf. If the foot doesn't move at all the achilles is ruptured.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:41 pm to EarlyCuyler3
You used an article referencing situations in the NFL when discussing a matter involving NBA players.
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