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tigerskin
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Dr. Chao breaks down the Durant injury and medical decision making
Some interesting stuff from someone who has been behind the scenes.

He is not pointing fingers but feels there was a partial Achilles injury a month ago, and now a full tear.


“Often, people say it is the team/medical staff’s job to “protect a player from himself.” That is definitely true if there is catastrophic or permanent injury involved. However, if the Warriors were waiting for a player to be 100 percent and have no risk, then Klay Thompson would still be out with his hamstring strain, Kevon Looney would have never played with his rib cartilage fracture, Steph Curry would still be out with ligament damage from his finger dislocation, DeMarcus Cousins would sit with his quad (and maybe residual Achilles) injury, Andre Igudola would miss due to multiple ailments — and maybe more.“



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lsupride87
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“Often, people say it is the team/medical staff’s job to “protect a player from himself.” That is definitely true if there is catastrophic or permanent injury involved.
Not me. I beleive it is simply their duty to be honest to the player


If they were honest to KD and this happened, so be it


If they were honest to KD but simply wrong in their diagnosis, they blew it but everyone in any profession is wrong at certain times. It sucks


If they were dishonest with KD, kill them


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re: Dr. Chao breaks down the Durant injury and medical decision making
If there was any concern regarding an achilles, KD should have been tied to a chair in the basement.

An achilles tear is on the short list of injuries these days that an athlete can’t come all of the way back from.


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Chad504boy
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the achilles is not something to mess with as far as allowing a full rupture.


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the achilles is not something to mess with as far as allowing a full rupture.

Not disagreeing


But I dont think its the medical teams job to "protect the player"

It should be their job to simply be honest with the player


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But I dont think its the medical teams job to "protect the player"

It should be their job to simply be honest with the player




That's not really how life works. NFL you have protocols, you can't just tell the player "well if you play after your 4th concussion this week, you could be brain dead by the age of 42"


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If they were honest to KD but simply wrong in their diagnosis, they blew it but everyone in any profession is wrong at certain times. It sucks 


I'm more sympathetic to the Warriors than some in this area. Having played basketball and come back from a few injuries, you never truly know whether your body can take the strain until you do it.

Things can look ok structurally, but then go to hell as soon as you stress them.

The biggest issue is the timetable for clearing him. Midseason, they would have weeks of noncontact half speed work to see how his achilles responded to light work.

In the Finals, when it got structurally clear, they didn't have time to test things with low risk. So, he played and they hoped the risk didn't manifest...but it did in fairly short order.


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lsupride87
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That's not really how life works
But it should be. Unless you are a nanny state supporter

My doctor doesnt make life decisions for me, I find it odd people expect them to make life decisions for athletes


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It should be their job to simply be honest with the player


Said player is also capable of getting a professional 2nd & 3rd opinion if need be. With as much money as KD had riding on his health going to this offseason, you would have to believe he received other professional orthopedic opinions & not just based his decision to play in game 5 on those of the team physicians.


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My doctor doesnt make life decisions for me, I find it odd people expect them to make life decisions for athletes


Nobody does but if they work for the team, they better be keeping the team in the loop and the team honchos make the ultimate decision.


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Rep520
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My doctor doesnt make life decisions for me, I find it odd people expect them to make life decisions for athletes


It depends on the injury. When an athlete is concussed and his mental function is impaired, a doctor may have to step in. You don't need a player who's not there mentally making a decision about whether he goes back in to be permanently brain damaged.

Something like an ankle, then, yeah, the athlete gets the choice.


lsupride87
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It depends on the injury. When an athlete is concussed and his mental function is impaired, a doctor may have to step in. You don't need a player who's not there mentally making a decision about whether he goes back in to be permanently brain damaged.

Noted and agreed. But doctors are also able to step in for normal patients as well in situations when they deem they are not of sound mind




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lets be honest, any doctor/radiologist worth their salt can diagnose a achilles tear on MRI. these doctors are in charge of the best athletes in the world. there is no way they misdiagnosed a tear. a 4th year med student/first year resident can diagnose a tear


medical professionals are taught to give the patient all of the facts and then tell them their recommendations of management/treatment. however, the patient has autonomy to say how they want to be treated. this is how medicine works


these docs take care of multi-million dollar athletes. they didn't get the diagnosis wrong & they didn't mislead KD. that's malpractice. they knew exactly what happened with KD's calf, told him of the risks, & KD & company chose to play anyway



lsupride87
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lets be honest, any doctor/radiologist worth their salt can diagnose a achilles tear on MRI. these doctors are in charge of the best athletes in the world. there is no way they misdiagnosed a tear. a 4th year med student/first year resident can diagnose a tear


medical professionals are taught to give the patient all of the facts and then tell them their recommendations of management/treatment. however, the patient has autonomy to say how they want to be treated. this is how medicine works


these docs take care of multi-million dollar athletes. they didn't get the diagnosis wrong & they didn't mislead KD. that's malpractice. they knew exactly what happened with KD's calf, told him of the risks, & KD & company chose to play anyway


I agree with your overall premise, And I am completely fine with this


However, they do get it wrong at times. The saints doctors got it way wrong with Delvin Breaux


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shel311
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Said player is also capable of getting a professional 2nd & 3rd opinion if need be. With as much money as KD had riding on his health going to this offseason, you would have to believe he received other professional orthopedic opinions & not just based his decision to play in game 5 on those of the team physicians.

Not just that, but dude has as an entire team overseeing virtually everything for him. From his agent to managers to whoever else...not that they make the call, but they can be in his ear as well as the team.

But at the end of the day, if he's medically cleared and fully understand what that entailed, I don't see the issue.

Feels like this is just part of today's culture of someone always have to be blamed for something. There doesn't automatically have to be anyone to blame. Until we get news that says otherwise, it's no one's fault IMO.


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“Often, people say it is the team/medical staff’s job to “protect a player from himself.”


Why do people believe this? They work for the team, not the player.

You have a player who's possibly been leaning towards leaving and a team who is on the brink of elimination in the Finals and you think a doctor paid by the team is going to be the one who holds up him returning? If theres any doubt, hes going to say he can play. It's not rocket surgery.


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EarlyCuyler3
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Said player is also capable of getting a professional 2nd & 3rd opinion if need be.


Teams dont like that. See: Leonard, Kawai


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Teams dont like that. See: Leonard, Kawai


Teams don't have to like it. A player has every right to seek a second opinion if they chose to do so. See: Kawhi Leonard


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I'm defined not disputing that. I'm just saying it has consequences for the player. Someone who isnt Kwai cant do something like that and get away with it.
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