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re: Does Penn State get left out if they beat Wisconsin?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:30 am to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:30 am to ReauxlTide222
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They're way better than everybody else so we won't have to worry about it, though.
The almighty bama only put up ten points against LSU's second string coach
I was halfway kidding with that comment but to be fair you can't throw out all these stipulations and requirements regarding conference championships for other teams to make the playoffs but ignore those same prerequisites for Alabama just because they're bama
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:33 am
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:37 am to Chucktown_Badger
I understand we're trying to get the 4 best teams. And I think OSU is one of them. I'm honestly not trying to be difficult.
I just think I'm some circumstances, what team deserves to go is more important than who we THINK is the better team. PSU didn't beat OSU and then bitch about OSU getting in. They didn't beat OSU then tank in conference. They beat OSU head to head, THEN won the division, and then the conference(if they win). That is enough for me.
Another thing is OSU fans talk about their loss like it was some fluke bullshite in week 2 of the season. The conference was shaping up real nice when they played PSU. Ohio State KNEW they desperately needed that football game and they lost it. I consider that when saying if OSU gets in, PSU needs to as well.
I just think I'm some circumstances, what team deserves to go is more important than who we THINK is the better team. PSU didn't beat OSU and then bitch about OSU getting in. They didn't beat OSU then tank in conference. They beat OSU head to head, THEN won the division, and then the conference(if they win). That is enough for me.
Another thing is OSU fans talk about their loss like it was some fluke bullshite in week 2 of the season. The conference was shaping up real nice when they played PSU. Ohio State KNEW they desperately needed that football game and they lost it. I consider that when saying if OSU gets in, PSU needs to as well.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:38 am to Mr. Hangover
I've said multiple times I don't value conference championships all that much and don't believe in the conference champ or else line of thinking.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:40 am to buckeye_vol
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So now are we of the mindset that out of conference games and strength of schedule are essentially irrelevant?
No. They matter. It's all a part of the pie.
Think about your resume for the CFP being a pie chart. A circle. Maybe 1/2 or 3/5 of it are "win your conference" .. The rest can be things like flashiness, facing a tough schedule and actual tough OOC opponents (like OSU did with OU).
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:43 am to ReauxlTide222
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If they lose this game I wouldn't cry too much about them being left out. The SEC sucks arse and Alabama didn't have a tough schedule.
They're way better than everybody else so we won't have to worry about it, though.
The SEC West is still the best division in football. Bama is going to the playoffs if they lose against Florida. Bama will just play Ohio State in the Fiesta bowl instead of Washington in the Peach bowl.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:44 am to Socratics
The simple fact that we're debating between PSU and Wisky just goes to show how weak this CFB season is. Those teams are so average compared to teams from previous years. CFB is full of mediocrity right now (Aside from Bama).
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:46 am to RLDSC FAN
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The simple fact that we're debating between PSU and Wisky just goes to show how weak this CFB season is. Those teams are so average compared to teams from previous years. CFB is full of mediocrity right now (Aside from Bama).
It is kind of interesting how much the quality of play on the field has tanked this season, both for CFB and the NFL.
The only team at both levels that actually looks complete on both sides of the ball is Bama.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:47 am to Rand AlThor
Agreed.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:49 am to ReauxlTide222
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I understand we're trying to get the 4 best teams. And I think OSU is one of them. I'm honestly not trying to be difficult.
I just think I'm some circumstances, what team deserves to go is more important than who we THINK is the better team. PSU didn't beat OSU and then bitch about OSU getting in. They didn't beat OSU then tank in conference. They beat OSU head to head, THEN won the division, and then the conference(if they win). That is enough for me.
Another thing is OSU fans talk about their loss like it was some fluke bullshite in week 2 of the season. The conference was shaping real nice when they played PSU. Ohio State KNEW they desperately needed that football game and they lost it. I consider that when saying if OSU gets in, PSU needs to as well.
I agree with you heavily.
If we were in the business of just putting the 4 most purely talented teams in no matter what, why even play an entire season?
PSU absolutely deserves to make it in over OSU if they win this weekend. There is no doubt in my mind. They beat them head to head, won the division, and will win the conference. WTF is the argument for OSU over them? They're a better team? Should have beat them then. Sorry.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:54 am to Rand AlThor
The arguments for OSU:
1- Better record
2- better SOS while keeping a better record
3- beat big ten west champ on the road coming off bye.
4- beat b12 champ on road in OOC
5- better overall ranking
6- BCS #2 ranking
7- didn't lose by 39 points to Michigan
8- beat the current 5th 6th and 7th ranked teams
9- only loss came from a top 10 opponent away where PSU was coming off a bye
10- just beat the #3 ranked team
11- didnt lose to Pittsburgh
12- already best the conference champion opponent on the road
13- has only lost 2 games in last 2 years 23-2
14- tied for conference east champs
15- it's obvious they are better
1- Better record
2- better SOS while keeping a better record
3- beat big ten west champ on the road coming off bye.
4- beat b12 champ on road in OOC
5- better overall ranking
6- BCS #2 ranking
7- didn't lose by 39 points to Michigan
8- beat the current 5th 6th and 7th ranked teams
9- only loss came from a top 10 opponent away where PSU was coming off a bye
10- just beat the #3 ranked team
11- didnt lose to Pittsburgh
12- already best the conference champion opponent on the road
13- has only lost 2 games in last 2 years 23-2
14- tied for conference east champs
15- it's obvious they are better
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:57 am to Rand AlThor
I would legit rather OSU had lost to some dogshit OOC FCS team than PSU. Some meaningless bullshite game that they weren't up for.
That PSU game was pretty much for the goddamn division. You can't lose that game. Then PSU held up their end and won the division. And if they continue to do so and win the conference, dammit, they should get in before OSU. Seriously, put OSU in as well. But PSU has to get in before them.
That PSU game was pretty much for the goddamn division. You can't lose that game. Then PSU held up their end and won the division. And if they continue to do so and win the conference, dammit, they should get in before OSU. Seriously, put OSU in as well. But PSU has to get in before them.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:58 am to gobuxgo5
I like how you switch back and forth between where a team was ranked at one point and/or where a team is ranked now, depending on which best helps your position.
ETA: And how you count the victory over UW twice
8- beat the current 5th 6th and 7th ranked teams
12- already best the conference champion opponent on the road
And the BCS doesn't exist anymore.
ETA: And how you count the victory over UW twice
8- beat the current 5th 6th and 7th ranked teams
12- already best the conference champion opponent on the road
And the BCS doesn't exist anymore.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:59 am to gobuxgo5
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The arguments for OSU:
1- Better record
2- better SOS while keeping a better record
3- beat big ten west champ on the road coming off bye.
4- beat b12 champ on road in OOC
5- better overall ranking
6- BCS #2 ranking
7- didn't lose by 39 points to Michigan
8- beat the current 5th 6th and 7th ranked teams
9- only loss came from a top 10 opponent away where PSU was coming off a bye
10- just beat the #3 ranked team
11- didnt lose to Pittsburgh
12- already best the conference champion opponent on the road
13- has only lost 2 games in last 2 years 23-2
14- tied for conference east champs
15- it's obvious they are better
The arguments for Penn St. are:
* The half game advantage OSU has is miniscule. Both teams have the same number of wins.
* Penn St. beat Ohio State.
* Penn St. won the division
* Penn St. won the conference
* If a biased eyeball test is used, then Michigan would be the selection...not OSU.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:02 pm to Rand AlThor
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WTF is the argument for OSU over them? They're a better team? Should have beat them then
That argument is a slippery slope. What about Michigan then? Beat the living hell out of PSU didn't they?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:03 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Why because one of my 15 points was pointing out they beat a#3 team after the 12th week? It's not like I'm pretending they beat the #7 Michigan st Spartans because that's what they were ranked at beginning of season.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:03 pm to Oddibe
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
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That PSU game was pretty much for the goddamn division. You can't lose that game. Then PSU held up their end and won the division. And if they continue to do so and win the conference, dammit, they should get in before OSU. Seriously, put OSU in as well. But PSU has to get in before them.
At the time it really wasn't. Penn State needed Michigan to lose to Iowa for them to have a shot at the division. If Michigan had beaten Iowa on the road OSU is in the B1G title game right now.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:05 pm to Buckeye06
And how excited were you when Iowa beat Michigan? Methinks Average Joe OSU Fan was unaware of what that meant for them.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:07 pm to gobuxgo5
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Why because one of my 15 points was pointing out they beat a#3 team after the 12th week? It's not like I'm pretending they beat the #7 Michigan st Spartans because that's what they were ranked at beginning of season.
And how you use their record over the last 2 years as a feather in OSUs cap. Last year is irrelevant.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:07 pm to Chucktown_Badger
What it meant for us? It means we will either be a 2 or 3 seed now.
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