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re: Do other conferences suck off each other like the SEC?
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:40 pm to RummelTiger
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:40 pm to RummelTiger
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If you don't see the benefit to your school by having the rest of the conference teams win, then I can't help you. Regardless of what you think, it's good to have a strong conference.
Does the SEC get its own network/money-printing machine if the conference isn't as strong as it is overall? Obviously not.
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Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:43 pm to Ralph Nader
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And I don't know what Arkansas has to do with anything considering they haven't played their bowl game yet.
And they acquitted themselves well in their last bowl game.
I think that dude was just pulling teams out of his arse.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:45 pm to RummelTiger
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I'm not talking individual games, I'm talking full seasons...multiple seasons
that makes even less sense. Why do you want teams you are competing with to dominate.
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Who knows? Maybe they just didn't wan to go to LSU? Not everyone loves LSU..
Except we do, Landon Collins said he Loved Bama watching them flash the A gloves while beating Texas. Maybe he wouldn't have gone to LSU either way, his brother went to Florida when they were down, but it certainly didn't help. As for Robinson, he is at Bama because of Saban there no doubt he'd be at LSU other wise...
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Success breeds success, and playing in a strong conference opens the doors to more athletes from across the country, and not just the Robinson's and Collins' of the world.
The team winning opens those doors. Not the teams you are playing against.
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But, hey, I guess you'd be okay with being the King of Turd Mountain...some would prefer to play against the best week in/ week out. I guess we're just wired differently.
we are wired differently because I am not making a strawman argument for 1. I can argue the points without having to make up arguments for others that I can easily knock down. Next I also recognize that the only options are not either the best or suck.
My main concern is LSU winning and it does not affect LSU negatively in any way shape or form if Ole Miss had lost to Ok St or Bama loses to Clemson. Florida State and built dynasties while playing in weaker conferences. They also still played several games against top ranked teams every year starting with each other and in FSU's case Florida. You don't have to be in a nightmare conference to win. Didn't seem to be a problem for Texas or USC in 2005. FSU 2 years ago, Ohio State last year etc, etc. I want LSU to win teams we are competing against having momentum hurts that. It is not something we can't over come, but i see no reason to root for it.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
No. The post I referred to was someone beating his chest over teams that LSU beat beating other teams. I mentioned Arkansas because Toledo. 
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:48 pm to VABuckeye
quote:I wasn't even talking about this year specifically. I was talking about in general.
No. The post I referred to was someone beating his chest over teams that LSU beat beating other teams. I mentioned Arkansas because Toledo.
It makes LSU look better when the teams they beat in their own conference beat other teams out of conference.
But then you have to get all butt-hurt and try to point out the exceptions.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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main concern is LSU winning and it does not affect LSU negatively in any way shape or form if Ole Miss had lost to Ok St or Bama loses to Clemson.
In the micro, it doesn't matter. But the reason LSU has legions of fans coming to the games is because they want to see great teams lose to LSU. If LSU was playing Sunbelt-level teams every weak, you wouldn't have the fan support that you do. Plus there wouldn't be any real interest in LSU football outside of Louisiana and your athletic program revenue would not be nearly what it is.
You're arguing (without realizing it) to be big fish in a small pond.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:52 pm to Forkbeard3777
You're right. Your sample of one person has convinced me.
Not saying the majority of fans do it just saying every conference has fans that do.
Not saying the majority of fans do it just saying every conference has fans that do.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:52 pm to VABuckeye
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You can't take what sways one recruit and apply it to all recruits
of course not. Landon Collins may well have gone out of state regardless, his brother went to Florida coming off a losing season. But for most, especially in Louisiana with Saban at Bama it hurts LSU for them to keep winning at a high level. I know, I know us losing to them hurts as well, but then again it becomes a vicious circle, then win and get good players which makes it harder to beat them. But it also extends beyond the La kid. Bama is now recruiting nationally, stealing kids from Virginia, they star frosh CB Fitzpatrick is from NJ, they are going harder in Texas than i can recall in the past. Them winning it all helps them and team alone. It does LSU no good to be in the same division as a dynasty, why some LSU fans can't see that is beyond me.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:53 pm to Ralph Nader
Who gives a crap about "looking better?"
You either win or you don't.
Bottom-line.
Iowa, TCU, Stanford, etc would not have had a problem of making the playoff if they took care of business.
Do you think people sit around saying "LSU looks a lot better after losing because Alabama beat Michigan State."
You think the general public gives a shite about this stuff.
No, they care that Alabama won.
You didn't win, the SEC didn't win and your next door neighbor didn't win shite either.
You either win or you don't.
Bottom-line.
Iowa, TCU, Stanford, etc would not have had a problem of making the playoff if they took care of business.
Do you think people sit around saying "LSU looks a lot better after losing because Alabama beat Michigan State."
You think the general public gives a shite about this stuff.
No, they care that Alabama won.
You didn't win, the SEC didn't win and your next door neighbor didn't win shite either.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
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But for most, especially in Louisiana with Saban at Bama
I think I've located the problem.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:55 pm to the808bass
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Does the SEC get its own network/money-printing machine if the conference isn't as strong as it is overall? Obviously not.
Not only that, but the SEC shares bowl revenue with everyone in the conference as well. Kentucky has also been able to use "come play in the SEC, but closer to home" recruiting some quality players in B1G country due to being in the SEC and that rep comes in large part due to the success of the conference.
I find it funny that people get so up in arms over the notion.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:57 pm to the808bass
Until people are eliminated from picking who has a chance to play in the playoffs, then having a strong conference matters. If your conference is dominating others yearly during bowl play from the previous season then maybe they overlook you had in conference vs another team from another conference who also lost in conference.
Like losing to Ole Miss is not as bad as losing to Iowa and what not.
Like losing to Ole Miss is not as bad as losing to Iowa and what not.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 1:59 pm to the808bass
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You're arguing (without realizing it) to be big fish in a small pond.
no, Im not. You see the only options in this world are not SEC or Sunbelt. Does Ohio State have problems selling tickets, generating revenue? How about Texas? Florida State? Clemson? USC? Oregon?
Of course no one wants to see LSU play South Alabama every week, but they will come to see LSU play Bama even if Bama loses to Clemson. They will come to see LSU play OM is OM had lost to OSU. OM was 2-10 in 2011, didn't hurt LSU in the slightest.
LSU made the BCS CG in 2003. The most recent SEC NC was 1998 at that point. So how did we make it if it is oh so important to have teams in the SEC win? And given that LSU won the BCS title in 2003, how come Auburn was left out if 2004 if being in a conference with the past year's champ is oh so important?
Posted on 1/2/16 at 2:01 pm to the808bass
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I think I've located the problem.
if by problem you mean the biggest recruiting threat to LSU, yes. If you think it has anything to do with my not rooting for Bama or other SEC teams, you could not be more wrong.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 2:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
If I still lived in the South, I'm sure that I'd call the S-E-C thing dopey. But living out west and hearing the PAC 12 whining all of the time, I'm happy whenever I can rub some SEC success in their faces.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 2:05 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Oh look, another idiot who doesn't get it.
Who gives a crap about "looking better?"
You either win or you don't.
Bottom-line.
Iowa, TCU, Stanford, etc would not have had a problem of making the playoff if they took care of business.
Do you think people sit around saying "LSU looks a lot better after losing because Alabama beat Michigan State."
You think the general public gives a shite about this stuff.
No, they care that Alabama won.
You didn't win, the SEC didn't win and your next door neighbor didn't win shite either.
You know who cares about "looking better"? Voters. The people making the rankings. Having a loss to an SEC team is a lot better than having a loss to teams from another conference. It doesn't count against you as much.
And winning against SEC teams is a boost that another conference doesn't get.
Having a very strong conference boosts your wins against conference opponents and softens the losses against conference opponents.
And it's not just some kind of false perception that the SEC was stronger than all other conferences the past decade or so. It was proven in their out of conference records. And often times, it was a higher-seeded team from another conference losing to a lower-seeded team in the SEC.
For example... two similarly-ranked teams might play each other from the Big 10 and SEC. However, that team in the Big 10 might be their #3 ranked team in their conference, and they are playing the SEC's 6th best team. Yet they are comparable teams, and the SEC team often wins.
Because the SEC is strong, to get a competitive match-up in a bowl game, they have to match up a #3 Big 10 team with a #6 SEC team in the bowl game.
If you went ranking by ranking:
SEC #1 vs. Big 10 #1
SEC #2 vs. Big 10 #2
Etc...
The SEC would be the best conference without a doubt when ranking tit for tat like that.
They've had a few down years recently, but the SEC being the best conference in college football was not even a question for the past decade or longer.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 2:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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if by problem you mean the biggest recruiting threat to LSU, yes. If you think it has anything to do with my not rooting for Bama or other SEC teams, you could not be more wrong.
Sure. It's completely a non-issue. Like every other LSU fan.
Posted on 1/2/16 at 2:10 pm to Ralph Nader
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Oh look, another idiot who doesn't get it.
that would be you
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You know who cares about "looking better"? Voters. The people making the rankings. Having a loss to an SEC team is a lot better than having a loss to teams from another conference. It doesn't count against you as much.
but that doesn't and shouldnt carry over to next year. Everyone agrees the SEC is the toughest conference. It didn't hurt in 2015 that the SEC W was 2-5 in bowls and it won't matter next year if the SEC is 7-1.
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And winning against SEC teams is a boost that another conference doesn't get.
Having a very strong conference boosts your wins against conference opponents and softens the losses against conference opponents.
So? There were still just as many teams from the B1G and Big XII in the playoff as SEC teams and just as many ACC teams as SEC teams in the final. LSU and OM still have 3 loses and didn't sniff the playoff. So we will be ranked 15 maybe instead of 22,. Yay?
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/2/16 at 2:14 pm to the808bass
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Sure. It's completely a non-issue. Like every other LSU fan.
I'm sorry, you've lost me? What do you mean non issue? Of course I was pissed when Saban took the Bama job because I knew he'd win there and I hated them before hand, so my rooting against them has nothing to with him being there. I rooted against them when Gene Stalling coached them against the U, though at least we didn't have morons chanting SECSECSEC back then
Posted on 1/2/16 at 2:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:But it does carry over and you know it. When the SEC is considered to be the best conference, it helps all teams in the conference in the rankings.
but that doesn't and should carry over to next year.
quote:Because in the cases where there are teams with one or two losses and they are trying to figure out who should get in, being in a conference with a strong reputation could be the boost needed to put that team ahead of the other 1 or 2 loss teams in the rankings.
So? There were still just as many teams from the B1G and Big XII in the playoff as SEC teams and just as many ACC teams as SEC teams in the final. LSU and OM still have 3 loses and didn't sniff the playoff. So we will be ranked 15 maybe instead of 22,. Yay?
It matters. Stop pretending that it doesn't.
LSU got to the national championship with 2 losses. Alabama got to the national championship to play against LSU after they had already lost to them and didn't even make the conference championship game.
If they were in the Big 10, do you think they would have gotten the benefit of the doubt in those cases? Most likely not.
This post was edited on 1/2/16 at 2:28 pm
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