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re: Didn't realize Keith Hernandez is not in the HOF
Posted on 8/10/23 at 10:59 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/10/23 at 10:59 am to burger bearcat
Like Mark Grace, he was a line drive hitter at a power position.
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:00 am to Mizz-SEC
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You obviously didn't watch him much, let alone day after day.
I watched him enough. He was very good, he just isn't Hall of Fame material. Sorry. And I'm not the only one who thinks this.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:03 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Like Mark Grace, he was a line drive hitter at a power position.
They are virtually identical hitters. Hernandez was a better fielder, though.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:20 am to mdomingue
Probably, but Grace was no slouch with the mitt
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:32 am to burger bearcat
Hernandez and Murphy should have already been in the HOF.
2 of the best whole 80's decade.
2 of the best whole 80's decade.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:35 am to FightinTigersDammit
Jose Cruz and Cecil Cooper type career. Hall of Very Good
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:39 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/10/23 at 12:11 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Probably, but Grace was no slouch with the mitt
No, he was not.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:42 pm to mdomingue
MEX belongs in the HOF
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:42 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
That is crazy that Harold Baines is over Mattingly or Murphy. Both players were one of the best in baseball for several years in the 80's. I think they got hurt by the steroid era right after them which made their great numbers look not as impressive as they were when they were playing.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:20 pm to burger bearcat
Very good player. And an important part of two championship teams.
I do remember when he was shipped out from STL to the Mets. At that time Keith got some media shots off in the direction of Whitey for the trade and that did cost Herzog for a while. Trading a great player and not getting much in return does that.
Eventually it became clear the drug use by KH was a big part of the decision. The stink of Keith badmouthing Herzog eventually reversed IMO. And the fact that Whitey kept quiet about the effect of his drug use on the decision later enhanced public perception of Herzog's character and did the reverse to Hernandez in some media circles.
Who knows how much what affected what but KH really could have used every benefit of the doubt and he didn't deserve it. Gooden and Strawberry being so much less in total than they seemed destined to become (because of drug use) might also have significantly affected Keith's HOF chances.
It cost them championships and Hernandez could hardly claim to have been either an innocent or a good influence on the their individual outcomes.
I do remember when he was shipped out from STL to the Mets. At that time Keith got some media shots off in the direction of Whitey for the trade and that did cost Herzog for a while. Trading a great player and not getting much in return does that.
Eventually it became clear the drug use by KH was a big part of the decision. The stink of Keith badmouthing Herzog eventually reversed IMO. And the fact that Whitey kept quiet about the effect of his drug use on the decision later enhanced public perception of Herzog's character and did the reverse to Hernandez in some media circles.
Who knows how much what affected what but KH really could have used every benefit of the doubt and he didn't deserve it. Gooden and Strawberry being so much less in total than they seemed destined to become (because of drug use) might also have significantly affected Keith's HOF chances.
It cost them championships and Hernandez could hardly claim to have been either an innocent or a good influence on the their individual outcomes.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:52 pm to burger bearcat
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Keith Hernandez is not in the HOF
Posted on 8/10/23 at 10:29 pm to burger bearcat
Similar in some ways to Dale Murphy
2 MVPs
7 All Stars
4 Silver Sluggers
Batting average .265
Hits 2,111
Home runs 398
Runs batted in. 1,266
2 MVPs
7 All Stars
4 Silver Sluggers
Batting average .265
Hits 2,111
Home runs 398
Runs batted in. 1,266
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 11:02 am to burger bearcat
Say what you want, he should be in, he is not because of drugs.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:11 pm to UncleRuckus
Plus he snokes
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