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re: Did Michael Jordan insult Cowherd's momma?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:16 pm to Ford Frenzy
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:16 pm to Ford Frenzy
quote:You have never met them. How can you even pretend to have an opinion about this?
mental toughness, clearly MJ with an edge
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Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:17 pm to WDE24
quote:Or they think they do.
People see that through effort and other things all the time
If you want my honest opinion, I don't think I've ever seen in my life seen any one player work or play or use as much energy as hard as Lebron did in the entirely of last year's NBA playoffs.
I'm sure that is not true, I'm positive there are 11 and 12th guys on the bench who work harder to keep their NBA careers alive than any of us are going to give credit for.
Just watch any or all playoff games last year and the hustle Lebron showed running the court, guarding center and point guards, then carrying the entire offense, and it's really interesting to see where you're valuing his will and determination likely because like I said before, the narrative is already created, and you're working around it.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:18 pm to WDE24
quote:
It really isn't. People see that through effort and other things all the time. It isn't concrete, but it isn't nearly as abstract and un-observable as you want to make it.
There is anecdotal evidence of MJ's will to go along with 6 titles and 6 finals MVP awards. MJ at the dream team practices would be an example, punching teammates at Bulls practice, etc.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:18 pm to Ford Frenzy
quote:Right now:
so statistically MJ has the edge
accomplishment wise MJ has the edge
mental toughness, clearly MJ with an edge
but from a raw size and athleticism view, LeBron has the edge
welp, clearly LeBron is better, he has more "tools"
MJ - greatest player of all time
LBJ - greatest potential player of all time
This is how I see it. Based on what I have seen from LBJ so far, I don't think he has the drive to fulfill his potential the way MJ did.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:18 pm to WDE24
quote:
You have never met them. How can you even pretend to have an opinion about this?
It's just funny that you don't see the absolute ridiculousness of what you're saying while trying to make fun of it the other way around.
THAT is why I said it is interesting.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:19 pm to WDE24
quote:
You have never met them. How can you even pretend to have an opinion about this?
You have never met ford frenzy, how can you pretend to form an opinion about ford frenzy that he's incapable of not being able to do something.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:19 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:Again, fitting the narrative.
punching teammates at Bulls practice, etc
If Lebron punched a player in a practice, this board would be up in arms, and 99% of it wouldn't be saying it was due to his drive and determination.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:19 pm to WDE24
quote:
LBJ - greatest potential player of all time
How can you say this when he doesn't hold a candle to MJ's first 10 years in the league already?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:20 pm to shel311
quote:How can you make that observation while arguing that others can't? lol
I don't think I've ever seen in my life seen any one player work or play or use as much energy as hard as Lebron did in the entirely of last year's NBA playoffs.
Can you quantify that? Show me a stat?
quote:Yes, but Jordan did that all the time. LBJ has done it a few times in his career. You are now identifying the things that you said didn't exist.
Just watch any or all playoff games last year and the hustle Lebron showed running the court, guarding center and point guards, then carrying the entire offense, and it's really interesting to see where you're valuing his will and determination likely because like I said before, the narrative is already created, and you're working around it.
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:20 pm to Ford Frenzy
quote:
so statistically MJ has the edge
Sure, but I do think it is by a fairly narrow margin.
quote:
accomplishment wise MJ has the edge
I don't think anyone is disputing that.
quote:
mental toughness, clearly MJ with an edge
There is no way you can measure this. People just say this when they have no means of proving it.
quote:
but from a raw size and athleticism view, LeBron has the edge
He does.
quote:
welp, clearly LeBron is better, he has more "tools"
I don't think Lebron is better, but I think it is silly that people think Jordan's legacy is untouchable.
Look at what Lebron has done up to now. He is the youngest player EVER to do so many things in the League.
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:20 pm to shel311
quote:
If Lebron punched a player in a practice, this board would be up in arms, and 99% of it wouldn't be saying it was due to his drive and determination.
Lebron's too big of a pussy to start throwing punches.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:22 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
Lebron's too big of a pussy to start throwing punches.
And I'm sure you would be man enough to tell him that.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:23 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Because he still has time and has the skill set of a Magic/Jordan hybrid with the body of a Karl Malone. It is remarkable.
LBJ - greatest potential player of all time
How can you say this when he doesn't hold a candle to MJ's first 10 years in the league already?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:24 pm to SabiDojo
quote:
And I'm sure you would be man enough to tell him that.
If I was Lebron, i would have gotten in a fist fight on purpose in the NBA just to have it on your highlight reel, all the great ones have it.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:25 pm to WDE24
quote:Did you read the very next sentence?
How can you make that observation while arguing that others can't? lol
Can you quantify that? Show me a stat?
Obviously not.
quote:
You are now identifying the things that you said didn't exist.
Again, keep reading.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:25 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
Lebron's too big of a pussy to start throwing punches.
Yuup
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:26 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
If I was Lebron, i would have gotten in a fist fight on purpose in the NBA just to have it on your highlight reel, all the great ones have it.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:27 pm to shel311
I read it. maybe I misunderstood. Are you saying that the 12th guy on the bench gives as much effort and has as much will? That may be so, but we are having a conversation about the greatest ever, so you have to match that will with unworldly talent. You are really all over the place trying to prove that will and effort are un-observable.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:28 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
If I was Lebron, i would have gotten in a fist fight on purpose in the NBA just to have it on your highlight reel, all the great ones have it.
Right! Because THAT is how you prove yourself to be a MAN!
You know, because taking care of your kids, never getting arrested, and just being a decent human being is NOT enough.
All men should be like Shawn Kemp. Get high and go bang broads and never take care of the kids.
Or, go fight like school children just because it's the only way you know how to play defense.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:29 pm to WDE24
quote:Actually, I could not have possibly been more consistent in my argument.
You are really all over the place trying to prove that will and effort are un-observable.
I let the story play out, then give my thoughts.
You have clearly showed that you build your narratives and thoughts, and work the facts into them.
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