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re: Dez Bryant already inflating his ego
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:13 pm to SpqrTiger
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:13 pm to SpqrTiger
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No single person is bigger than the team. If it's team tradition to carry equipment when you're a rookie, then carry the damn equipment. Who does it hurt? NOBODY.
This.
If Michael Irvin and Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith carried the vets pads, then frickin Dez ought to do it, too.
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Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:17 pm to wrlakers
Big Mike Irvin didn't carry no pads yenheard? the vets carried Big Mike's pads.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:18 pm to Truculent Typist
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Hazing the new guy is stupid at any level but all the way up top in the NFL? Just get that stupid shite out already.
Exactly. You're a grown arse man and a professional. Behave that way. Sure, there's "tradition", but that "tradition" goes back to when the players weren't full-time professional athletes. It's also really pointless.
There are better and more productive ways to accomplish team-building, and there are better and more productive ways to establish your hierarchy.
Tradition for tradition's sake is a pretty pathetic way to decide to do something.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:22 pm to SpqrTiger
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If it's team tradition to carry equipment when you're a rookie, then carry the damn equipment. Who does it hurt? NOBODY.
Who does it help? NOBODY.
Again, tradition for tradition's sake is stupid and pointless.
There are better, more productive ways to show and receive proper respect.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:29 pm to Sophandros
it hurts dez because if he carries the pads, there's no issue, there's no news, and maybe one picture
instead there's a 4 page thread
instead there's a 4 page thread
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:38 pm to Sophandros
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Again, tradition for tradition's sake is stupid and pointless.
I don't agree. I don't think this is tradition for tradition's sake alone.
Dez needs to remember that his fat salary doesn't make him more important that the rest of the team. He needs to remember that he still has to go through the drills like everybody else. He needs to remember that some great guys went ahead of him, and he's not better than any of them--certainly not yet he's not.
The article I read said that Bill Parcells used to make the top pick bring him water during breaks.
I have to wonder whether some of these lessons might have made a little bit of difference with Jamarcus.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:41 pm to wrlakers
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Dez needs to remember that his fat salary doesn't make him more important that the rest of the team. He needs to remember that he still has to go through the drills like everybody else. He needs to remember that some great guys went ahead of him, and he's not better than any of them--certainly not yet he's not.
this. Dez Bryant has played the same number of NFL downs as me
Roy Williams
Receptions 292
Receiving Yards 4,296
Receiving TDs 31
Dez Bryant
Receptions 0
Receiving Yards 0
Receiving TDs 0
This post was edited on 7/26/10 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:43 pm to wrlakers
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The article I read said that Bill Parcells used to make the top pick bring him water during breaks.
I have to wonder whether some of these lessons might have made a little bit of difference with Jamarcus.
whoever you are you should bring Parcells water when he asks
On the Raiders? Who are you going to do that for? Al Davis is upstairs and there's no authority figure there other than him
It's usually not a Ray Lewis razzing rookies... it's usually some underachiever like Roy Williams
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:43 pm to wrlakers
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Dez needs to remember that his fat salary doesn't make him more important that the rest of the team. He needs to remember that he still has to go through the drills like everybody else. He needs to remember that some great guys went ahead of him, and he's not better than any of them--certainly not yet he's not.
Yeah, because that's worked with so many other young players coming into the league.
News flash: These are grown men. If the team concept isn't already instilled in them, it's not going to come out of nowhere because he carried a set of shoulder pads in his early 20s.
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I have to wonder whether some of these lessons might have made a little bit of difference with Jamarcus.
Thank you for proving my point for me. ALL teams do this to their rookies, and clearly, it neither helps nor hurts. So why make a big deal out of it? Oh, that's right. Some people are slaves to "tradition" instead of focusing on things that are truly important.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:46 pm to molsusports
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Dez Bryant, Under Armour go their separate ways
Posted by Mike Florio on July 26, 2010 2:24 PM ET
Before the draft, Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant signed an endorsement deal with Under Armour. Darren Rovell of CNBC reports that the arrangement already has concluded.
"Under Armour and Dez Bryant mutually agreed to part ways," Under Armour told Rovell in a statement. "We wish Dez all the best as he embarks on a professional career."
The relationship likely was doomed in May, when Bryant showed up for Cowboys' offseason workouts not wearing Under Armour, but sporting Nike products.
It's unknown whether Bryant will formalize an endorsement deal with Nike. Hopefully, the contract won't require him to actually carry anything.
Another red flag?
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:49 pm to Sophandros
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These are grown men.
Well, very young men. These guys are the same age I was when I was still in college, still doing stupid shite that I'm thank God every day no one video taped.
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If the team concept isn't already instilled in them, it's not going to come out of nowhere because he carried a set of shoulder pads in his early 20s.
Well, not just that one thing. But it's the whole mentality of getting settled into a team that is also a job. Fitting in is important. Feeling like you're part of it all is important, too. Following in the footsteps of those who came before you, also important.
I've been hazed before (in a non-violent way similar to this example). I think the right balance of hazing along with other forms of mentorship is helpful. Just because the person who's older isn't as smart or skilled as I am does not mean that I should not respect that that person did what I'm doing before I did it.
This post was edited on 7/26/10 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/26/10 at 1:56 pm to Tmon225
Herm Edwards just confirmed Dez Bryant is being a bitch!
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:00 pm to wrlakers
Again, there are other, more productive ways to accomplish all of that, and this isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
I'm very team oriented, but if someone on my team were to disrespect me in the name of a tradition that he couldn't even tell me the origins of or explain the reasoning behind, I'm telling him to go frick himself.
But I'm also a critical thinker.
I'm very team oriented, but if someone on my team were to disrespect me in the name of a tradition that he couldn't even tell me the origins of or explain the reasoning behind, I'm telling him to go frick himself.
But I'm also a critical thinker.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:05 pm to wrlakers
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I've been hazed before (in a non-violent way similar to this example). I think the right balance of hazing along with other forms of mentorship is helpful. Just because the person who's older isn't as smart or skilled as I am does not mean that I should not respect that that person did what I'm doing before I did it.
To me it depends on the a-hole doing the hazing
If it's done in fun by a guy who has proven himself? Fine
If it's just a jackass trying to get one over on a rookie? frick him - rookie gains more by showing him up in return
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:10 pm to Sophandros
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:13 pm to Michael J Cocks
frick carrying roy williams' pads. that dude sucks the fat one. now if he did this to jason witten it would be a different story...
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:31 pm to willow2
he looks pretty smooth in that video.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:32 pm to Tmon225
I guarantee that bastard will haze the incoming rookies next season.
..usually those who balk and complain about it are always the bastards who give it back 10x worse.
..usually those who balk and complain about it are always the bastards who give it back 10x worse.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 2:51 pm to molsusports
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If it's done in fun by a guy who has proven himself? Fine
Guess Williams going to the pro bowl doesn't mean he's proved anything? Just because it didn't happen at last year's Super Bowl doesn't mean that Williams hasn't earned some respect when compared to some guy who hasn't done anything yet.
Posted on 7/26/10 at 3:29 pm to wrlakers
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Who does it help? NOBODY.
Wrong. It helps DEZ.
Who cares about the actual carrying of the shoulderpads? That's not the issue.
If Dez carries the shoulderpads, it tells the veterans, hey, this guy is alright. He respects the team and he respects the veterans. It helps Dez because people will like him more, and like him more easily than if he just says, "I'm not carrying anybody's pads," and walks off.
Now the veterans think he's a prick.
Now, as mentioned before... are there better ways of building trust and respect for each other on a team? OF COURSE THERE ARE. I agree COMPLETELY.
But this is the NFL. It's not a Disney Institute seminar. It's very large, violent, (usually) undereducated men setting the rules. It's not how I would do it. It's how THEY do it.
Say what you want, but I will tell you what I know: free thinkers don't last on a football team, even if they're good. The team will eventually jettison even the best players if they're locker room poison. Dez Bryant may have won a few fans from the "critical thinker" contingent here and there... but in that locker room, he's already making enemies.
That's not a good thing.
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