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Determining schedule strength based on rank at time of game or at end of season
Posted on 2/21/20 at 10:50 am
Posted on 2/21/20 at 10:50 am
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Posted on 2/21/20 at 10:56 am to sacrathetic
End of season is better but you can entirely discount time of ranking on some situations.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:00 am to sacrathetic
End of season. There's no data at the beginning of the season. The #9 thing is little more than a collective opinion that was more or less proven wrong. Shaky ground.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:09 am to sacrathetic
End is better but people act like teams don’t feed off their rankings and play better before their seasons drop off a bit.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:10 am to Hester Carries
End of season.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:13 am to sacrathetic
A little bit of both
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:15 am to sacrathetic
Obviously during the season you don't know where teams will end up, so as long as the team you played when ranked X is still playing at a level near X then it is safe to go by that.
IF that team drops off heavily, then its tough to be too proud about beating them when they were wrongly ranked in the top whatever.
IF that team drops off heavily, then its tough to be too proud about beating them when they were wrongly ranked in the top whatever.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:17 am to Mad Dawg 2020
Ask Clemson it's doesn't matter who they have played but works out for them every year.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:38 am to sacrathetic
End of season, except when looking at a team with injuries
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:42 am to sacrathetic
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Offseason Discussion: Should a team's schedule strength be judged based on the rankings of the teams they play at the time of the game or at the end of the season.
While end of season seems like the obvious answer but in reality it has to be looked at as individual cases. Injuries can have a huge impact on a team. Early season rankings can be way off, mid season rankings tend to be better but those early rankings can skew things at times. But almost as often as early season rankings are not a good estimation of a team, the end of season rankings do not indicate how good a team was earlier in the season before losing a certain player of never recovering mentally from a beat down. The statement made that "we broke them when we kicked their butt" is not always that far fetched, I think that was particularly true with a couple of teams LSU played has played in the last couple of years.
It's a difficult thing to quantify, particularly when you use data primarily based on opinion.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:43 am to sacrathetic
Easily at the end of the season unless said team had major injuries that caused their fall.
Take Florida State a few years ago. They started in the top 10, but their QB got injured in the first game against Alabama. If you wanted to drop FSU a little because it's possible they wouldn't have been top 10 good regardless, I'm ok with that, but I would still count it as a good win. If FSU's QB didn't get injured and they still finished outside the top 25, there's no way I would consider that a good win.
Take Florida State a few years ago. They started in the top 10, but their QB got injured in the first game against Alabama. If you wanted to drop FSU a little because it's possible they wouldn't have been top 10 good regardless, I'm ok with that, but I would still count it as a good win. If FSU's QB didn't get injured and they still finished outside the top 25, there's no way I would consider that a good win.
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Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:46 am to Hester Carries
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Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:57 am to sacrathetic
end of season is obviously stronger, but ranking at time holds some weight. For example, Texas, overrated, but something can be said for the big-game vibes and prep. Also, injuries and other factors play a role. Team X can be much different in week 5 than in week 10.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 11:58 am to ChunkyLover54
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end of season is obviously stronger, but ranking at time holds some weight. For example, Texas, overrated, but something can be said for the big-game vibes and prep. Also, injuries and other factors play a role. Team X can be much different in week 5 than in week 10.
There’s something to be said for going on the road in a tough environment and getting a win.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 12:51 pm to sacrathetic
Did you know that Maryland has a top 25 win because they beat 5-7 Syracuse week 2?
And Temple has a top 25 win because they beat 3-9 Maryland week 3?
And Temple has a top 25 win because they beat 3-9 Maryland week 3?
Posted on 2/21/20 at 12:55 pm to lsutigers1992
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Posted on 2/21/20 at 1:09 pm to sacrathetic
As Texas' top-ten ranking proves, preseason rankings are BS. Another recent example, from basketball, North Carolina was a preseason top 10 this year: WRONG. Today, they're in last place in the ACC.
Why should a team get credit for a win against a highly ranked fraud? The answer has to be the end of the season...
Why should a team get credit for a win against a highly ranked fraud? The answer has to be the end of the season...
Posted on 2/21/20 at 1:14 pm to sacrathetic
Both with more weight to the end of the season.
A team can be a Top 10 team, let's say 3-0. They lose their QB, stumbled down the road and finish 9-4. Their final ranking is probably #20-25 if they are a P5 but they absolutely were a Top 10 team at the time the game was played.
Also, if a Top 10 loses and their natty hopes are dashed, then they could drop other games due to lack of focus, similar to UGA two years ago in the Sugar.
A team can be a Top 10 team, let's say 3-0. They lose their QB, stumbled down the road and finish 9-4. Their final ranking is probably #20-25 if they are a P5 but they absolutely were a Top 10 team at the time the game was played.
Also, if a Top 10 loses and their natty hopes are dashed, then they could drop other games due to lack of focus, similar to UGA two years ago in the Sugar.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 1:22 pm to sacrathetic
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xiv End of season
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Peejay: end of season
This is enough for me. Definitely how they’re ranked at the time is the way to go.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 1:23 pm to sacrathetic
I’d say somewhere towards the end of the regular season. For example Auburn beat a top 5 team in Alabama in the last week of the season. Auburn should get credit for a top 5 win even though Bama finished outside the top 10. On the other had last season LSU beat a top 10 Miami team that tanked. LSU should not get credit for a top 10 win.
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