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re: Delonte West sage should lead to a massive reform of pro sports
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:52 pm to Tigear
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:52 pm to Tigear
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There's simply too much money being made by pro sports/owners that it's criminal they don't have vetted, permitted, & consistently reviewed financial advisers along with psychological evaluations & treatment for their players. You simply cannot continue to take these kids from the most average & below average of childhoods & into supreme professional sports popularity then just toss them in the streets when their careers are done. It's just not right. We have too much evidence that the "let them be adults" tactic isn't working.
At the same time, this is America and they are free to do whatever they want. I do agree that a financial/counselor support system could be better.
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:53 pm to Tigear
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:53 pm to JetsetNuggs
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It's definitely a shame what's happening to him, but at a certain point, personal responsibility, family, and friends need to come into play.
Bingo.
Delonte said a few years ago that he was cutting and attempting suicides in middle school. I’m no fan of the league but no way you can lay this at their feet. His family, friends and youth coach’s should have been the first line of defense here.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:53 pm to Tigear
While all areas could focus more on mental health, had they had something set up while he was playing maybe he isn't here now. However, at this point they don't need to do anything since he isn't in the league
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:55 pm to Tigear
Uh, no.
West is fricked up because bipolar people, by far, don’t take their meds because they don’t think they need them.
No amount of mental health outreach by pro sports leagues will be able to make a bipolar individual take their pills.
If this were CTE related, you might have an argument. But West was long known to be mentally ill and doing unusual shite even while he was an active player.
West is fricked up because bipolar people, by far, don’t take their meds because they don’t think they need them.
No amount of mental health outreach by pro sports leagues will be able to make a bipolar individual take their pills.
If this were CTE related, you might have an argument. But West was long known to be mentally ill and doing unusual shite even while he was an active player.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:55 pm to JetsetNuggs
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I never like seeing people end up like this, but it's his life to succeed or fail, not the owner of a billion dollar business that likely has other extremely important things in his/her own life.
Mental health does need to be treated more, but it shouldn't be forced on owners to create that structure. If they do it out of the goodness of their hearts, that's great.
What's more important than the well being of every employee that worked for you? Small family business or major multi-billion dollar empire = you have to take care of your people while they're with you & after. It's the right thing to do.
I think the social pressure is going to build up to where owners/teams are going to have to create a better program for their athletes. Continuous education & follow-up of financial responsibility.
Whats more, keeping their veteran players RICH would be the best thing for the teams on the whole. "Come be a player for _______, we will look out for you the entire time you're here & long after your days are done. You'll never be alone. You'll never find yourself on the street."
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:55 pm to Tigear
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But, haven't we found enough instances that this stance ISN'T working? The athletes are NOT getting the training or education needed to handle pro life. How many dead broke former athletes do we need before something is changed for the better?
How many of them would actually participate in this training and retain ANYTHING even if mandated. Something tells me there would be nearly 100% overlap with those players who are independently responsible with their career earnings already.
Plenty of people in all occupations both lucrative and non lucrative frick up and succumb to life’s vices and illnesses. Why are athletes deserving of your proposed all encompassing safety net?
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:57 pm to Tigear
The dude made bad decisions, and that's all we are, a collection of our decisions.
He obviously has some mental illness but there's millions of people with mental illness in the US that get help.
He obviously has some mental illness but there's millions of people with mental illness in the US that get help.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:58 pm to StupidBinder
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Bingo.
Delonte said a few years ago that he was cutting and attempting suicides in middle school. I’m no fan of the league but no way you can lay this at their feet. His family, friends and youth coach’s should have been the first line of defense here.
In an effort to make sure I am not misunderstood: I am not specifically blaming owners/teams for the problem. I am stating that there is a problem & we need better solutions.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:59 pm to Tigear
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you have to take care of your people while they're with you & after
While they work for you,sure, but not after. They'd be responsible for thousands of people for years. I get your point, but it's too idealistic for the real world.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:00 pm to Tigear
Guy fricks up his life
“WOW THIS IS EVERYONE ELSES FAULT”
“WOW THIS IS EVERYONE ELSES FAULT”
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:01 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Maybe they should start requiring college degrees to be an employee like a lot of other multi million dollar businesses do.
College degrees don’t prevent you from getting addicted to drugs or having mental health issues
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:03 pm to Tigear
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Small family business or major multi-billion dollar empire = you have to take care of your people while they're with you & after. It's the right thing to do
Now I’m thinking you’re either trolling or incredibly young and idealistic.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:06 pm to Tigear
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. I am stating that there is a problem & we need better solutions.
Tell me a solution that couldn’t have been had with his millions of guaranteed money he made during his career.
These guys have more tools and resources than 99 percent of the world and most of them and most of the 99 percent figure out a way to survive. I’m sorry I don’t feel compelled to baby sit the minority of a group of some of the richest people in the country.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:10 pm to Tigear
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What's more important than the well being of every employee that worked for you? Small family business or major multi-billion dollar empire = you have to take care of your people while they're with you & after. It's the right thing to do.
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Whats more, keeping their veteran players RICH would be the best thing for the teams on the whole. "Come be a player for _______, we will look out for you the entire time you're here & long after your days are done. You'll never be alone. You'll never find yourself on the street."
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:12 pm to Tigear
Sucks to see, but if people cared about other people in similar situations than we'd get somewhere.
How is it that people all of a sudden "care" when it's a famous NBA player, but nobody cares about the random guy on the street?
How is it that people all of a sudden "care" when it's a famous NBA player, but nobody cares about the random guy on the street?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:13 pm to Tigear
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The guys are proving over & over they are ill-equipped to handle the pro life AFTER their pro life income is over.
Read that again
You can give them all the classes, seminars, etc., they are responsible for their actions, period. Does it suck? Absolutely but that is the way of the world.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:15 pm to DemonKA3268
Blaming the NBA is dumb.
This is more of a society issue. We have to figure out a way to deal with mental illness better in that country. If that allows us to start committing people again, then so be it.
Some people just need to be kept off the streets.
This is more of a society issue. We have to figure out a way to deal with mental illness better in that country. If that allows us to start committing people again, then so be it.
Some people just need to be kept off the streets.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:16 pm to Fun Bunch
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Blaming the NBA is dumb. This is more of a society issue. We have to figure out a way to deal with mental illness better in that country. If that allows us to start committing people again, then so be it. Some people just need to be kept off the streets.
I agree.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:30 pm to Tigear
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In an effort to make sure I am not misunderstood: I am not specifically blaming owners/teams for the problem. I am stating that there is a problem & we need better solutions.
But by stating that it’s “criminal” that the league hasn’t done anything, you’re implying that they have an obligation to do so.
Would it be good if they did something? Of course, but again, you can’t lay the problem at their feet and tell them its theirs to fix simply because they have money and resources. Delonte had way more money and resources than most people with diagnosed mental disorders.
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