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re: DAT: Offseason Thread (Spring Training has begun!!)
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:32 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:32 am to Prominentwon
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Would love to have a SP, but does it break our 2017 season? I'm not really sure that it does.
You're fine for 162
But your rotation isn't scaring anyone in a playoff series, though. You gotta have that stud at the top. Someone said, "well even ace gets rocked in the playoffs". Doesn't work like that. For every Kershaw there is a mad bum or Kluber or Lester that's going to go 2 games in a series
Your lineup will play even sans Bergman or Springer if that's what it took to get a Sale. And you guys would be better for it. Slotting guys like Kuechel back a spot would be perfect
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:33 am to dabigfella
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we have this small window to win
No, the point of what Luhnow is doing is to keep us contending for a long time. It's not hard to see that Springer will not be an Astro beyond his 4 arb years. What if Kyle Tucker continues to develop and is ready to be a contributor 2 years from now. Then you could theoretically trade Springer and Tucker can fill his role. 3 more years of Altuve (at least, I bet we extend him), 5 more of Correa and 6 more of Bregman. The window is not small.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:34 am to Prominentwon
I think we would have pretty good odds to make the playoffs with our current roster if people were to stay healthy (aka no season ending injuries. Everyone will have a stint on the DL). Even then, it's lining up our rotation against the other top teams in the league for a series that is worrisome for me
But then again, 2015 Royals had Cueto and a bunch of shite behind him in their rotation. And they beat a team with Harvey, Syndergaard, Degrom in the World Series
Not necessarily desiring this, butI think it would be very interesting if we were to pass on trading for an ace but had an opportunity to improve our already good bullpen. Royals in 2014-2015 and Indians last year showed how much a shutdown bullpen can carry you in the postseason
But then again, 2015 Royals had Cueto and a bunch of shite behind him in their rotation. And they beat a team with Harvey, Syndergaard, Degrom in the World Series
Not necessarily desiring this, butI think it would be very interesting if we were to pass on trading for an ace but had an opportunity to improve our already good bullpen. Royals in 2014-2015 and Indians last year showed how much a shutdown bullpen can carry you in the postseason
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:34 am to GynoSandberg
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For every Kershaw there is a mad bum or Kluber or Lester that's going to go 2 games in a series
Or David Price.
Problem is, there's only 6-7 guys in the entire league that are able to do that....and none of them are available. Well, not available to the point where you're giving up a ridiculous package.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:35 am to Prominentwon
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I'm not saying the pitching was infallible whatsoever. But
Always thought the word was "onesoever"
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:36 am to Prominentwon
I really want Sale to get traded just to see what kind of price it takes someone to get him
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:37 am to Tiger Ryno
Could you go away?
Adults are having a decent conversation
Adults are having a decent conversation
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:38 am to dhav14
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having Chris Sale doesn't guarantee winning playoff games
Starting Chris Devinkski surely doesn't guarantee playoff games
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:39 am to Lester Earl
Does it completely eliminate it?
Sure the odds are WAY better with Sale, no one denies that....
But does it kill those chances not having Sale?
Sure the odds are WAY better with Sale, no one denies that....
But does it kill those chances not having Sale?
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 11:40 am
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:40 am to Lester Earl
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Starting Chris Devinkski surely doesn't guarantee playoff games
Well Chris Devenski isn't a starter
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:42 am to Prominentwon
Im a gambler what would the line have been if we had sale in that game 5 vs the royals?
When we put mchugh out there im sure we were +150 if we had Sale starting that game I imagine we wouldve been -150. We are gonna win games, our bats are nasty but nobody is scared of facing fiers,mchugh,devinski in the playoffs. I hope Keuchel comes back to being an ace, but you just never know. Lance is a stud, but he's always hurt! If both are healthy, yes we're fine, but those are big ifs
When we put mchugh out there im sure we were +150 if we had Sale starting that game I imagine we wouldve been -150. We are gonna win games, our bats are nasty but nobody is scared of facing fiers,mchugh,devinski in the playoffs. I hope Keuchel comes back to being an ace, but you just never know. Lance is a stud, but he's always hurt! If both are healthy, yes we're fine, but those are big ifs
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:42 am to dhav14
Devoted will be a set up guy. He thrived in that role especially with a shortage of lefties.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:44 am to dabigfella
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Im a gambler what would the line have been if we had sale in that game 5 vs the royals?
We are playing IF's, what would the line have been IF Correa not mishandled that grounder?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:49 am to Prominentwon
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Does it completely eliminate it?
Sure the odds are WAY better with Sale, no one denies that....
But does it kill those chances not having Sale?
No, it doesn't eliminate it, but without that guy or a lights out pen that's giving you 3 guaranteed IP at the end of games, it's hard
As a cub fan I'd trade schwarber in a package for Sale. And that's with having 3 guys who will get Cy votes this season. That's how important I think frontline guys are for perennial playoff teams (which I think HOU becomes this season)
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:49 am to 5 Deep
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But then again, 2015 Royals had Cueto and a bunch of shite behind him in their rotation. And they beat a team with Harvey, Syndergaard, Degrom in the World Series
the royals had one of the nastiest bullpens ever but more than that an incredible lineup where everyone made contact. Zobrist,escobar,cain,hosmer,morales,moustakas,perez are all very good hitters and everyone made contact, only 2 guys struck out over 100x and at that 108 and 103 times and that was hosmer and morales, here's the link.
LINK
Here's your 2016 Houston Astros we had 7 guys in our lineup with over 100 k's but obviously luhnow's sabermetrics dont mind them, but its something when you can move runners over and not strike out all the time. O and George springer was leader of the band with 178 strikeouts, here's a link for your trouble
Springer -178
Castro -123
marwin -118
correa -139
rasmus -121
carlos gomez -100
evan gattis -127
LINK
1452 vs 973 thats the number of times the 2016 astros struck out vs the 2015 world champion royals, thats a lot of baserunners they moved over that we did not. 50% more strikeouts than the world series champs is not something to be proud of.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:54 am to dabigfella
Notice all of our acquisitions thus far are the complete opposite of the feast or famine shite we've been experiencing last few years. CF, Springer, and whenever Gattis plays will be the biggest strike out prone guys. It's going to be fun having 6-7 solid contact hitters in the lineup every game compared to the 3-4 we've had the last few years
IMO the biggest factor of how the season plays out is if McCullers can stay healthy for an entire season
IMO the biggest factor of how the season plays out is if McCullers can stay healthy for an entire season
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:56 am to 5 Deep
agree mccullers was once the projected #1 pick, he has ace stuff, i hope he can stay healthy. If he doesn't it may be time to accept his small frame wont be a starter and maybe move him to the pen and trade away will harris or gregerson.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 12:00 pm to 5 Deep
Also, I was gonna post this over the weekend but figured with football on there wouldn't be much action going on in this thread
I was reading a preview of the winter meetings and was reading how the Royals are in a very hard spot because they have a TON of guys entering their final year.
One of those guys is Danny Duffy. I'm not sure if KC is going to make him a priority or not, but between me having him in fantasy the 2nd half of last season and my best friend being a die hard Royals fan and hearing about him a lot, I've started to secretly wish he was an Astro
I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the current winter meetings, but he may be someone worth tracking over the course of the season to see if we could maybe add him if the Royals become sellers. And even if not, would love for us to sign him as a FA next year
I was reading a preview of the winter meetings and was reading how the Royals are in a very hard spot because they have a TON of guys entering their final year.
One of those guys is Danny Duffy. I'm not sure if KC is going to make him a priority or not, but between me having him in fantasy the 2nd half of last season and my best friend being a die hard Royals fan and hearing about him a lot, I've started to secretly wish he was an Astro
I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the current winter meetings, but he may be someone worth tracking over the course of the season to see if we could maybe add him if the Royals become sellers. And even if not, would love for us to sign him as a FA next year
Posted on 12/5/16 at 12:03 pm to 5 Deep
Royals will probably trade one or two of their good players since they can't get 1st round comp picks for them anymore
Posted on 12/5/16 at 12:08 pm to dhav14
Yeah, lots of talk about them dealing Wade Davis this week.
Even then...Cain, Hosmer, Duffy, and Moose are also entering their walk year. Will be very interesting to see how they handle it
Even then...Cain, Hosmer, Duffy, and Moose are also entering their walk year. Will be very interesting to see how they handle it
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