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re: DAT: All Star Break Edition

Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:08 pm to
When you looked these up or found these factoids, was there a night vs day record, especially Saturdays.

I'd be interested to know our record in those.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29433 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:29 pm to
Hypothetical: if we were to somehow unload Bregman in a blockbuster trade (e.g., deGrom), what would happen? Marwin slides over and then what?
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
27385 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:34 pm to
We'd need to find someone to play the utility role I suppose.

Or maybe replace him with Moran and continue to use Marwin like we have been.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
83485 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:35 pm to
Give Moran a chance the rest of the regular season to establish himself. If he doesn't, Marwin plays 3B in October.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
27385 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

If he doesn't, Marwin plays 3B in October.


He has to play everyday in the postseason. I'd rather see him at DH than Beltran 100/100 times.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
101863 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:39 pm to
You're being a flea on the nutsack but I'll entertain you. Marwin becomes the everyday 3B. That in itself creates some issues of depth. Who plays 1st when Yuli needs a day off? Call up Kemp to be an IF/OF utility guy? Marwin plays 1st when Yuli doesn't? Kemp at SS, Correa at 3rd? Call up Moran to back up 1st and 3rd?

A discussion of Marwin as an everyday guy at 1 spot really highlights how much of an asset he is with his versatility as a bench guy who you can slot in anywhere and what you lose when he's pigeonholed into 1 role.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29433 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:40 pm to
I haven't found as much recent info on Moran as I would like. He's obviously raking in AAA and supposedly improved/shortened his swing. Also Lunhow was implying in the Spring that he would be a September callup anyway. But trying to reconcile that vs. him being all but left for dead as of last fall.

Real reason I'm asking is that I don't think that's a risk you take with a team in the position the Stros are in.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Welp, I'm 0-2


Stop going on Friday nights baw.

Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62984 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

A discussion of Marwin as an everyday guy at 1 spot really highlights how much of an asset he is with his versatility as a bench guy who you can slot in anywhere and what you lose when he's pigeonholed into 1 role.




Yes. You have two of Aoki/Beltran/Marisnick in the lineup on a lot of days if you deal Bregman. That's why I don't want to trade him. Putting aside his future, Bregman is frustrating to watch but an upgrade over all three of those guys at the plate for sure.

In October if you DH Gattis you're still looking at one of Beltran/Aoki/Marisnick in the lineup every day. And Bregman is still a lot better than those three IMO
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:46 pm
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
27385 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:45 pm to
I think Moran has bought into the "fly-ball revolation", so he's developed a little more power, and he's striking out less and walking a little more:

2016: .259/.329/.368 124 K's 47 BB's in 117 games
2017: .310/.368/.556 52 K's 26 BB's in 74 games so far

Still only 24 years old.

ETA: I don't like Fangraphs being down, I'm not a fan of baseball ref.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:47 pm
Posted by dhav14
Member since Jun 2014
9546 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:51 pm to
I want no part of Kemp seeing regular time on this ball club
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
83485 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:59 pm to
I believe Moran made the changes that will make him a productive MLB regular. The question is, when?
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107404 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:04 pm to
Hopefully not for us.
Posted by dhav14
Member since Jun 2014
9546 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:07 pm to
LINK

Hour long podcast from Jonah Keri with Luhnow. On Devenski (insert eyes emoji here):

"I personally am still not convinced that he shouldn't be a starter."

I think Devo is perfect where he is but it's still an interesting convo
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted by gjackx
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2007
16573 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

if we were to somehow unload Bregman in a blockbuster trade (e.g., deGrom), what would happen?

Do other teams really view Bregman as a large piece of something they'd give up a bigtime arm for?
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
83485 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:27 pm to
If Fangraphs makes a proper estimate, Bregman is the 38th most valuable trade piece in all of baseball.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36294 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

If Fangraphs makes a proper estimate, Bregman is the 38th most valuable trade piece in all of baseball.




Hes been above average this year when relatively hes still far too young to be in the league (for comparison Judge is two years older than Bregman). I get that hes one of the weaker spots this season but I really dont get everyone bailing off the Bregman train. I really think that if he wasnt batting in whats been a historically good level lineup then there would be a lot more appreciation for what hes done at the age of 23.
Posted by dhav14
Member since Jun 2014
9546 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:48 pm to
Let's assume April should be thrown out because WBC hangover and such. Since May 1, Bregman has a .801 OPS and a 113 wRC+. That's pretty good for a guy in his first full season. The defense has been the more disappointing part of his game.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36294 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

Let's assume April should be thrown out because WBC hangover and such. Since May 1, Bregman has a .801 OPS and a 113 wRC+. That's pretty good for a guy in his first full season. The defense has been the more disappointing part of his game.




Even without those numbers thrown out Bregman's 2017 is superior to Jose Altuves Age 23 year. Higher OBP, OPS, wRC+ and already has a higher WAR and is at the all star break.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:08 pm to
Springer CF
Reddick LF
Altuve 2B
Correa SS
McCann C
Beltran RF
Marwin 3B
Gattis DH
Gurriel 1B

Would like to see this lineup at least once a week.
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