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re: Daniel Jones seeking $45 million/year from Giants

Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:27 am to
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:27 am to
You can see why Jones and his agent went there. With the recent salary cap going north again a 40 million dollar QB today isn't the same 40 million dollar QB that Dallas paid Dak. That said, NY can't afford to let him walk. The question is which franchise tag will they use?

That will tell the tale. 2 first-round picks and let him walk or give him the royal exclusive tag. Now we're talking.
Posted by GatorPA84
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:58 pm to
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!
Posted by TheWalrus
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:10 pm to
I’m also seeking 45 million but I’ll settle for 80K
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:26 am to
I too am seeking $45mil a year from my employer.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:32 am to
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Who in their right mind thinks this guy is worth that kind of money….


Just like with high school NIL, there has to be some sort of return to normalcy in paying these middle of the pack type of quarterbacks right?
Posted by spaghettioeauxs
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:40 am to
Daniel Jones is better than Dak, if Dak can get what he got, DJ should get more. We still haven’t seen DJ with an elite WR. Dak has Lamb, Schultz, Zeke and Pollard and is still arse. Some people seem to be basing their opinions of DJ solely off past seasons. Hurts was objectively bad last year outside of garbage time, if he can get paid after one great season, so should DJ. Keep in mind Hurts has two amazing WRs in Smith and Brown; either would instantly be the best WR on the Giants roster by far
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:51 am to
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Daniel Jones is better than Dak, if Dak can get what he got, DJ should get more.


Ahh yes this is true as long as you ignore everything happening in front of your eyes





Posted by spaghettioeauxs
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 10:17 am to
Dak missed games and still led the league in interceptions. You’re only comparing passing stats when DJ had over 700 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDs. Try again
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:36 am to
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Dak missed games and still led the league in interceptions.


Yes and Daniel jones has also turned the ball over at an extremely high level for his entire career

DJ has 57 career turnovers in 54 games while dak has 90 turnovers in 97 games. Both are really bad at this, but Jones is objectively worse in this category

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You’re only comparing passing stats when DJ had over 700 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDs. Try again


This is the only season that DJs has combined for more passing and rushing yards than dak in his career. Dak also has an additional 26 career rushing TDs in comparison to Daniels Jones 12.

Jones averages about 15 yards more rushing per game than Dak, he’s certainly a better running QB than Dak is, especially post injury, but jones isn’t exactly Mike Vick back there and i have my doubts that his 700 last season was the rule and not the exception. Prior to that he hovered around the same amount Dak typically rushed for

Jones was better last season, but that doesn’t mean he’s better than Dak, and currently there’s a mountain of evidence/sample size to say he’s not better than Dak that’s larger than the 1 season sample size that he did perform better statistically
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 11:43 am
Posted by spaghettioeauxs
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:05 pm to
I think that’s a fair retort. A huge criticism of DJ in the past was he can’t hold onto the ball, well this year he had only 7 turnovers. However, I think you have to throw Dak’s rushing stats out the window because his first few seasons were significantly higher in yards and TDs, there’s a huge drop off the past few seasons to the point I wouldn’t even consider him mobile anymore. DJ is extremely athletic, I hope they get him a better WR he can trust so he doesn’t have to rush for 700 yards again but he’s definitely athletic enough to repeat that. I would take DJ over Dak in a heartbeat in the year of 2023
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:26 pm to
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A huge criticism of DJ in the past was he can’t hold onto the ball, well this year he had only 7 turnovers.


Dak has had 2 different seasons where he only had 8 or fewer turnovers (2016 he had 8, in 2021 he had 7)

In both of those seasons he had more combined passing/rushing yardage than Daniel Jones had last season.

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However, I think you have to throw Dak’s rushing stats out the window because his first few seasons were significantly higher in yards and TDs, there’s a huge drop off the past few seasons to the point I wouldn’t even consider him mobile anymore.


Yeah, him snapping his leg in half probably had a big effect in his attempts and ability. Plus the massive deal he signed

If Daniel jones gets paid, you won’t be seeing him take off for 700 yards again either.

My point wasn’t that Dak is some excellent rusher, just that DJones edge in the rushing game isn’t some massive advantage over Dak over the course of their career. It’s also something that’s highly unlikely to be sustainable.


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would take DJ over Dak in a heartbeat in the year of 2023


And you may be right. But proclaiming it so confidently is a bit silly when you lay it out there, especially when the root of your post was built on “if Dak gets this amount of money than Jones should get way more” despite the fact that you clearly only based that assessment on last season, while the cowboys didn’t sign Dak to that extension last offseason, but rather after Dak put together 4 very impressive seasons that either matched or exceeded the performance that Jones put up last season.

Not to mention the fact is they didn’t give Dak that contract out of the sole idea that they thought he was the best QB on the planet, but rather he declined to take the typical early extension that teams typically get a massive discount on for their star QBs, and instead just said no until he was close enough in FA to finally get them to agree to his terms because that is a better alternative than letting another team give him the same deal.

I think people would stop being so offended by Qb salaries if they could accept the fact that they are related to leverage, not performance
Posted by spaghettioeauxs
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:56 pm to
I don’t dispute leverage has a lot to do with it, but Danny Dimes was drafted 6th overall and just won a playoff game for them with no real weapons outside of Saquon. He’s finally living up to the draft spot, how would he not have a shite load of leverage? 25 year old franchise QBs don’t just come out of the woodwork, you drafted him 6th overall to be that guy, pay him or let him walk.
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