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re: Dan Patrick is making Mark Emmert look like a clown right now.

Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:50 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:50 am to
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and that would be bad because?

well the argument is "competitive advantage" so it works within that argument
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:52 am to
A million shirts is a lot of shirts...

I don't think Emmert came off as getting owned. He brought up a lot of valid points regarding paying the players. It was actually a fairly informative interview thanks to Patrick prodding him some.

I don't think the majority of people realize how many cans of worms would open up were the athletes to get paid.

It IS unfair to the athletes. However, it's basically impossible to police what's going on were they to receive monetary compensation in any form from outside parties.

I like Cal's suggestions on fixing the system more than I do overhauling the entire thing and allowing third parties to come in and give these kids money.

ETA: Someone is going to lose this battle. The university, the athletes, or the fans. I find it slightly hypocritical for the athletes to target the NCAA instead of the available options to them outside of the NCAA. You don't see baseball players complaining because they have options out of high school.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 10:55 am
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:57 am to
I like Patrick. And, Emmert has failed multiple times as NCAA president.

But, Patrick totally whiffed on this interview. I was really shocked on how uninformed he was.

On the food issue, he mistook the NCAA removing restrictions on food with the NCAA providing food 100% of the time.

On the NBA 2 year rule, he totally misplaces the authority to implement said rule with the NCAA. Emmert had to explain to him that the NCAA has no legal authority to implement that rule.

And, on the pay issue, he seems to have taken this oversimplified predisposition that paying players is simple and the right thing to do. Every time Emmert began to explain the situation it seemed to go over his head.

I was really disappointed with Patrick. If he's mouthing off about Emmert after that interview, it just shows his ignorance, I didn't hear a single thing Emmert say that was wrong and Patrick was misinformed constantly.

Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:59 am to
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It IS unfair to the athletes


meh

It's an optional agreement that no athlete has to enter/continue under.

This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:00 am
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
13031 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:01 am to
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It's an optional agreement that no athlete has to enter/continue.


As I amended I realized I had to explain further. It isn't optional if you want to go pro. Hence, me putting more of the blame on the NFL/NBA than the NCAA.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:02 am to
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Autographs? Oh yea,EVERY big time alum of the school will line up to "buy up" autographs from just about anybody who's on the roster.

as opposed to the way they're paid under the table now?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:04 am to
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And, on the pay issue, he seems to have taken this oversimplified predisposition that paying players is simple and the right thing to do. Every time Emmert began to explain the situation it seemed to go over his head.

I was really disappointed with Patrick. If he's mouthing off about Emmert after that interview, it just shows his ignorance, I didn't hear a single thing Emmert say that was wrong and Patrick was misinformed constantly


Patrick was misinformed and so is 95% of the main stream sports media in this country.Listen to any one of the talking head shows on ESPN (PTI,Sports Reporters,Outside The Lines etc.etc)
All have the exact same narritive on the subject.
"Poor kids are being exploited and colleges and NCAA are making millions...blah,blah,blah"

It's not even close to being that simple.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:05 am to
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Really? So you just want every college and their alumni base to have the ability to put unlimited funds in their players pockets?And you don't see anything wrong with that?You really want to open up that can of worms? 
Man, what do you think is happening right now in college athletics?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28080 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:08 am to
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as opposed to the way they're paid under the table now?


Not even close...you think it's bad now and you want to legalize alumni having unlimited access to these guys and paying them whatever they want?

Yes,it'll be far worse and more corrupt than it is now.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:09 am to
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seriously? Fournette would've had boosters from Bama, LSU and every other big time college funneling him a ton of money buying those shirts if it were legal.
thank God for the current rules so that doesn't happen!
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61737 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:12 am to
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as opposed to the way they're paid under the table now?



I'm not sure what you think your point is.

The NCAA has rules against paying under the table.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61737 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:13 am to
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Patrick was misinformed and so is 95% of the main stream sports media in this country.Listen to any one of the talking head shows on ESPN (PTI,Sports Reporters,Outside The Lines etc.etc)
All have the exact same narritive on the subject.
"Poor kids are being exploited and colleges and NCAA are making millions...blah,blah,blah"

It's not even close to being that simple.



I agree with you 100%
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:15 am to
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Not even close...you think it's bad now and you want to legalize alumni having unlimited access to these guys and paying them whatever they want?

Yes,it'll be far worse and more corrupt than it is now.


No, it will be far better and more honest than what is going on now.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61737 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:19 am to
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No, it will be far better and more honest than what is going on now.



Disagree. The desire to have as level a playing field as possible is good for the game and therefore good for the game and thus the NCAA.

Implementing something that makes it "more honest" while ensuring a much more unfair playing field is terrible for the game and the NCAA.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:22 am to
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I'm not sure what you think your point is. 

The NCAA has rules against paying under the table.
If you can't see all the reasons why a system set up for the climate at the time like 70 years ago is completely antiquated broken and needs complete revamping, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:23 am to
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Disagree. The desire to have as level a playing field as possible is good for the game and therefore good for the game and thus the NCAA. 
So what's your solution? It's clearly nowhere near level and will never be as long as we're pretending this is amateurism.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
155341 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:26 am to
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I like Patrick. And, Emmert has failed multiple times as NCAA president.

But, Patrick totally whiffed on this interview. I was really shocked on how uninformed he was.

On the food issue, he mistook the NCAA removing restrictions on food with the NCAA providing food 100% of the time.

On the NBA 2 year rule, he totally misplaces the authority to implement said rule with the NCAA. Emmert had to explain to him that the NCAA has no legal authority to implement that rule.

And, on the pay issue, he seems to have taken this oversimplified predisposition that paying players is simple and the right thing to do. Every time Emmert began to explain the situation it seemed to go over his head.

I was really disappointed with Patrick. If he's mouthing off about Emmert after that interview, it just shows his ignorance, I didn't hear a single thing Emmert say that was wrong and Patrick was misinformed constantly.

All of this. I'm almost finished listening to the interview, and Emmert hasn't been "owned" in any sort of way to me. He is VERY informed and does a very good job of explaining things in layman's terms to Dan.

Good interview, but I feel like the OP was just feeding off the DP bullshite and blindly agreeing that DP was clowning Emmert, when that is the farthest thing from the truth. Emmert handled himself very well IMO.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:27 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61737 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:26 am to
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If you can't see all the reasons why a system set up for the climate at the time like 70 years ago is completely antiquated broken and needs complete revamping, I'm not sure what else to tell you.





The product the NCAA delivers has never been more popular.

Make your case for why things need to change.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
155341 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:35 am to
Dan is missing the forest for the trees at the end of this interview with the whole Johnny Manziel vs. A&M thing. He wants to make it a "A&M made money, so why can't JFF" argument, and that's not what it's about with paying players. So is Dan advocating only paying the great players? Because good fricking luck with that. And he's completely ignoring the fact that A&M itself is one of the huge reasons JFF was as successful as he was. Dan tries to simplify it as "Johnny Manziel would've been good at football no matter where he played." But it's nowhere near as simple as that.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:37 am to
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And he's completely ignoring the fact that A&M itself is one of the huge reasons JFF was as successful as he was.
And yet of all the millions made off of him only A&M(and the NCAA) got those profits. Not Manziel.
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