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re: Crown Em'....Melo to the Lakers for Bynum?
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Feel free to disagree but if I'm a fan of memphis or minnesota I keep waiting for the big market team to send me Dirk or Amare for a couple draft picks and a couple middling players
dirk and amare's team can afford a high salary payroll
we all know that
he was implying it wasn't a badly lopsided deal... which it obviously was
Ultimately trades are worth what they can do for your franchise... and no fan of a small market franchise is fooled into thinking they are coming out of top when memphis/LA or denver/NY trade
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Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:40 pm to molsusports
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he was implying it wasn't a badly lopsided deal... which it obviously was
it was so-so lopsided in terms of talent given/received, but the financial aspects make it even at worst
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Ultimately trades are worth what they can do for your franchise
and losing the salary obligations of pau gasol was a huge win for the franchise
when these deals are done in the NBA it goes something like this
1. team with great player deals great player and all of his salary
2. team with great player receives a bunch of expiring contracts, 1 young prospect, and a draft pick or 2
this happens ALL the time when a great player who is expensive is dealt
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:45 pm to molsusports
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he was implying it wasn't a badly lopsided deal... which it obviously was
Hindsight =/= at the time.
Memphis wouldn't have kept Gasol anyway. At least with that trade they received Marc Gasol and had the money to keep Rudy Gay and still have money to keep Randolph.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:47 pm to theunknownknight
Teams have the ability to keep their own players regardless
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP
that stuff is no longer obscure to most people... everyone understands that when you have a salary cap system teams will make trades to affect those numbers
But for a fan of the small market team who had Lebron, Gasol, or Garnett... they are just never going to come close to getting fair value in return
They are going to lose their best, most marketable player when he gets tired of having a ceiling short of championship level... and the team that he goes to may then win championships while the team he left behind is worse (often much worse)
We can sit here and point to why the salary numbers were fair... but it just doesn't matter when the value of the players on the court is terribly lopsided
that stuff is no longer obscure to most people... everyone understands that when you have a salary cap system teams will make trades to affect those numbers
But for a fan of the small market team who had Lebron, Gasol, or Garnett... they are just never going to come close to getting fair value in return
They are going to lose their best, most marketable player when he gets tired of having a ceiling short of championship level... and the team that he goes to may then win championships while the team he left behind is worse (often much worse)
We can sit here and point to why the salary numbers were fair... but it just doesn't matter when the value of the players on the court is terribly lopsided
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:51 pm to YoungJR24
Keeping Bynum's injuries in mind, is he that much more valuable than Nene? Nene has missed 5 games the last 3 years. Bynum has missed 49 in the last 2 years, and 96 games in the last 3 years.
Their stats are pretty similar too. And Nene isn't playing with a guy like Gasol.
Their stats are pretty similar too. And Nene isn't playing with a guy like Gasol.
This post was edited on 2/8/11 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:58 pm to eyeran
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Teams have the ability to keep their own players regardless
Not when they don't have the money to resign them.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:00 pm to eyeran
Can the Lakers afford to pay Melo, Gasol and Kobe?
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:06 pm to Suntiger
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Can the Lakers afford to pay Melo, Gasol and Kobe?
Probably.
And Carmelo will be the guy who they try to build around in the future once Kobe and Gasol aren't as good in 2-3 years.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:09 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Please.
Not when they don't have the money to resign them.
Trading Gasol didnt allow the Grizzlies to sign Gay and potentially Randolph to huge deals. Along with Conley, and the other Gasol.
They're gonna fly over the cap and into the luxury tax signing those guys and just as easily could've done it to keep Pau.
They dumped Gasol because they werent gonna max out a guy that they knew was pissed off at being in Memphis and was never gonna carry them to a championship
This post was edited on 2/8/11 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:33 pm to eyeran
Hello 3 Peat 
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:39 pm to JoeMayo
I love all the "there wont be enough shots between them" and "Melo will get pissed when Kobe jacks up 12 shots when there losing" talk.
Lets not pretend like we have any idea how Kobe/Melo would play together just like we had no idea how Lebron/Wade/Bosh would play together. FWIW, Leb/Wade/Bosh seem to be finding enough shots between them. I'm pretty certain LA would find a way as well.
Lets not pretend like we have any idea how Kobe/Melo would play together just like we had no idea how Lebron/Wade/Bosh would play together. FWIW, Leb/Wade/Bosh seem to be finding enough shots between them. I'm pretty certain LA would find a way as well.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:42 pm to hiltacular
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I'm pretty certain LA would find a way as well.
And beat everyone's arse in the process
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:42 pm to hiltacular
Someone explain how the new CBA will change the salary cap rules when the Lakers could have 3 players on long term deals making a combined $62.1+ million a season.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:43 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Someone explain how the new CBA will change the salary cap rules when the Lakers could have 3 players on long term deals making a combined $62.1+ million a season.
Why weren't you
about this when Miami signed an All-Star team?Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:50 pm to theunknownknight
The Miami trio doesn't make that much money.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:51 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The Miami trio doesn't make that much money.
and the rest of heir team makes shite
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:02 pm to BayouBengals03
Getting Bynum and cutting salary is much better than Chandler, Randolph, and a 1st.
If New York and L.A. are the only two in the running, Denver would be stupid to go with NY.
If New York and L.A. are the only two in the running, Denver would be stupid to go with NY.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:04 pm to eyeran
Watch Dwight Howard join melo and Kobe in a couple seasons 
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:09 pm to mhasen1
quote:Id take Chandler, Randolph, that terrible 1st any day over Bynum. Then dump salary elsewhere
Getting Bynum and cutting salary is much better than Chandler, Randolph, and a 1st.
If New York and L.A. are the only two in the running, Denver would be stupid to go with NY.
Bynum's gonna play half the season and makes 3xs as much as Chandler and Randolph combined
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