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re: College football coaches that were fired too early

Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:03 pm to
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:03 pm to
I am not going to waste my time nor yours to argue with you because you blame Les Miles while I see a bigger problem with LSU.
I am hoping Les gets another chance to prove the people in Louisiana wrong because he deserves it.

Even your AD said Les Miles turned down more money at Michigan to stay at LSU.
Then is treated like that
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:05 pm to
Well if Les would have grown some nuts and fired Cam Cameron he'd still have a job at LSU. That's not the university's fault.
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:07 pm to
Shows you how much of a Michigan man he really is
He would rather be out of a job than fire a friend.

Maybe the problem was Harris and Jennings and not Miles nor Cameron
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:08 pm to
If you don't perform at your job do you get to keep it?
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:10 pm to
This is the problem with LSU Football.
Someone has to answer and it is usually a coach
Maybe it is because you put such high hopes on your coaches.
After watching Coach O play Bama last year I feel sorry for Canada.
The guy does not understand what he is getting into with LSU
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:11 pm to
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im not going to waste my time nor yours to argue with you because you blame Les Miles while I see a bigger problem with LSU
Look. I've defended Miles plenty over they years and over all I think he did a great job at LSU and I'm glad we had him, but it was time to move on. His offensive philosophy is outdated and the overall program was sliding, though we made an atrocious hire to replace him.

The only thing I blame Les for is his failure recruit and develop a HS QB. After 12 years that's just inexcusable. Comparing Michigan QBs in the pros to LSU QBs means nothing. If a coach like DiNardo, who was much worse than Miles at every stop in their careers can find 2-3 in just 5 years, you can not blame in on LSU or Louisiana. Maybe Miles was scared by 2008, but there is no excuse to be that bad at QB for this long.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:15 pm to
Nice try at dodging my question.

The coaches did not develop our qbs. We wanted Les to change OCs, like he's done two times before when the offense didn't improve. He didn't. He lost his job because of it. College football is a business.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:15 pm to
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Maybe the problem was Harris and Jennings not Miles and Cameron


It was Miles and Cameron's job to recruit and develop QBs if the problem was the QBs it's still their fault for both not developing them or signing other QBs that were better.
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:17 pm to
I actually believe it is to be LSU's academics more than anything else

If you look at the history of the NFL and QB's who have been Pro Bowlers you will see a list of all the main academics powers in college football
Washington
USC
Michigan
Purdue
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:19 pm to
Nice to see you've tried to go full troll
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:23 pm to
Actually conduct a study since 2000 on QB's who have started the most games each and every year for each franchise and then see what university they attended

Then check on that university's academic ranking.
You will see a correlation. I have done this before in 2008.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 6:24 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:26 pm to
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I actually believe it is to be LSU's academics more than anything else If you look at the history of the NFL and QB's who have been Pro Bowlers you will see a list of all the main academics powers in college football Washington USC Michigan Purdue


Well that's just stupid and shows how little you know about LSU currently and LSU or Louisiana history. But like a typical B1G snob you want to claim superiority.

First off. I couldn't care less about how the QBs did in the pros. But LSUs academics are much better now than in the past, maybe not Michigan level but to say that's why 1 coach out of the las 5 couldn't develop a QB is asinine.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:29 pm to
What about the actual teams they played for?

Once again, the college's dont have anything to do with the players once they go pro.

Jamarcus is a prime example. shite organization in Oakland didn't do anything to develop him further, were basically yes men to him, and he never developed. Is part of that on him? frick yes, but that much talent would not have gone to waste on a team like new england, green bay, etc.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:31 pm to
We are not arguing about producing pro QBs you don't need guys to be all pros to win in college nor do they need to be MENSAs. You are trying to blame a state and a school for what is clearly a coaches fault just because he's a "Michigan Man"

Also you said he'd rather be out of a job then fire a friend. I realize you think that's noble, but what you are endorsing is nepotism. If someone is not performing at their job you have to make a change, ask John Harbaugh.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:34 pm to
You can say what you want... but #1 picks most of the time go to shitty teams... was Oakland shitty??? Yes... but JR also played them in didn't stay in shape like he should have... those are the facts my friend.....
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:36 pm to
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Actually conduct a study since 2000 on QB's who have started the most games each and every year for each franchise and then see what university they attended Then check on that university's academic ranking. You will see a correlation. I have done this before in 2008.


I bet those rankings are distorted by a couple of guys. Clearly Brady and Brees will account for the overwhelming amount of starts in that time period for UM and Purdue. As is Stanford by Luck.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:37 pm to
Oakland was regarded by several players for the longest time (especially during that period) as the worst organization by far to play for. And I already stated that part of jamarcus's downfall was on him. My point still stands that if he went to a better organization he would have had some success. He was too talented not to
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
1386 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:38 pm to
Every State has a public university some states more than others but within every state each state gives a certain amount of money to their public university system. Some of these states give much more money than others explaining why they have more than one great public universities and some less than others explaining why they have less than other states.
If I was a 17 year old kid from Louisiana I would need money to be provided a great education because Tulane is not cheap and a lot of states have high out of state tuition.


Maybe next time you wonder why you do not have a great QB at LSU you should be asking your state congressman why can't more of your tax dollars go to fund your university's academic and athletic programs.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
27584 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:40 pm to
Look up our TOPS program. We spend money to get kids into school, but Louisiana politics (namely Bobby frickhead Jindal) have fricked our universities as of late.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:42 pm to
Russell failed because Russell didn't have the work ethic. It is doubtful he succeeds anywhere. He got by on talent in HS and college. However that is a) not because LSU is ranked "lower" in academic rankings or b) relevant to Miles situation. Miles failed to recruit and develop a HS QB in 12 years. That's not only inexcusable it would seem to be even less likely than recruiting 12 of them. And also all the ones that they recruited but transfered out did absolutely nothing either so clearly that was an issue with identifying talent as well.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 7:46 am
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