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re: College football and the NCAA are broken

Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:59 pm to
NCAA has no business in criminal investigations they know it and you know it. That’s why they reduced Penn St.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:59 pm to
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No. Ohio State came in and said they would take care of it so the NCAA backed off. It still doesn’t make it right.



It wasn't an NCAA issue in any way even if title IX applied, which it didn't.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:00 pm to
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The NCAA wasn't involved with the Ohio State/Zach Smith situation one iota.


Why should they be? Why should anyone but the police and district attorney’s be involved?
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:02 pm to
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You cannot dream up a more disgusting sport than college football.


Oh, you can... college basketball.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:02 pm to
Don’t forget a kid getting a 2 year suspension for not cheating on and passing a drug test.





Sure he thought about cheating but actually didn’t.
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:03 pm to
Would you keep your job after a domestic violence arrest?
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140704 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:04 pm to
What does that have to do with the NCAA being involved? That’s a company decision
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:05 pm to
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Would you keep your job after a domestic violence arrest?


Who was arrested for domestic violence?
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:05 pm to
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Ohio State putting winning above being decent people.



Do you support Ed 'Sanctions and Restraining Orders' Orgeron?
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:05 pm to
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UNC one is completely different than the others.


lol
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:06 pm to
Interesting question DBG. I may indeed lose job, but should there be due process? What if I really didn’t dot it? Who is most qualified to determine if a crime actually occurred such that losing my job is warranted?
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:07 pm to
Zach Smith, in 2009
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:08 pm to
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it so the NCAA backed off.
What? Are you under the impression that this falls under purview of the NCAA?
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12337 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:09 pm to
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Zach Smith, in 2009


Does arrest equate to guilt in your mind? If so, then yes. Every arrest should have consequences.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:09 pm to
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Sure he thought about cheating but actually didn’t.
I love this logic
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 9:10 pm
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
78465 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:12 pm to
No it doesn’t, and it shouldn’t in a court of law. That’s why we have a higher level of scrutiny at the legal level because it’s the most important.

This isn’t a court of law though.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12337 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:16 pm to
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No it doesn’t, and it shouldn’t in a court of law. That’s why we have a higher level of scrutiny at the legal level because it’s the most important. This isn’t a court of law though


You’ve nailed my concern. I think it’s problematic when we have groups not trained in investigating and evaluating criminal behavior passing judgment and potentially ruining lives. An allegation and arrest related to allegation doesn’t always equate to guilt.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
78465 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:21 pm to
I get it. But we’re talking about people(CFB coaches) who are intimately connected to each other.

I’d argue a head coach can conduct a much more thorough investigation of his assistant than the police can.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12337 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:28 pm to
I see your point. It can go one of two ways. Coach asks asst. coach, did you do it? Asst. Coach says yes, end of story. Asst. coach says no, the allegations are pure bullshite, and tells Coach why. This gets very tricky in domestic cases, especially when you have a cheating coach like Smith. Even more tricky when a divorce is in play. No easy answer, but I just think it’s a dangerous precedent to put burden on a coach to make the determination. Coaches usually like the assistants they hired, and are often friends, so they’re not going to be the best person to investigate.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88538 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:33 pm to
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UNC one is completely different than the others.
Yeah, it's much worse.
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