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Posted on 1/8/13 at 3:34 pm to theunknownknight
I'm shocked that you'd say that.
Also, this:
..is completely made up. Unless you just count him being in the league as "influencing" the NBA.
Also, this:
quote:
Kobe has influenced his sport longer
..is completely made up. Unless you just count him being in the league as "influencing" the NBA.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 3:36 pm to theunknownknight
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Kobe has never influenced his sport just a jordan wannabe.
FIFY
Jordan did everything kobe did long before he did it, and more.
Im sure he did influence rapist everywhere though..
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 3:53 pm to theunknownknight
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theunknownknight
do you really think kobe has been more successful than tiger? if so, care to share any facts that support this?
oh and when kobe is bigger than the sport of basketball, let me know.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:10 pm to jimithing11
I'm a huge Kobe fan.....but the answer to both is Tiger. No, it's not even close. Tiger and Kobe have their similarities. Both are looked at as arguably #2's at their position and have more wins needed to be in the discussion as possibly #1's. If bball was not a "team" sport (insert ballhog comment here), then this could be a different conversation.
But, let's be honest here. Tiger TRANSFORMED the whole sport. Kobe did not. Kobe is a wildly polarizing figure (Tiger has moved toward this as well), but he's done nothing on the scale of improving the sport like Tiger has.
But, let's be honest here. Tiger TRANSFORMED the whole sport. Kobe did not. Kobe is a wildly polarizing figure (Tiger has moved toward this as well), but he's done nothing on the scale of improving the sport like Tiger has.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:24 pm to Gr8t8s
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Both are looked at as arguably #2's at their position and have more wins needed to be in the discussion as possibly #1's
Tiger has a slight chance at this. Kobe has none, he isn't the 2nd best to play he will never be in the discussion as a #1. It would be tough to make a case for top 5.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:27 pm to TigerBait2008
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Tiger has a slight chance at this
quote:
TigerBait2008
Am I in some sort of parallel universe?
Posted on 1/8/13 at 4:33 pm to jimithing11
I'd say Jeter has been the most successful. He plays the statistically hardest sport and he's a career .313 hitter with over 3,000 hits. He's also done all this while playing in arguably the hardest sports city.
Tiger has has had the most influence because golf courses changed their design, making them longer, because of him.
Tiger has has had the most influence because golf courses changed their design, making them longer, because of him.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:10 pm to SaintCajun
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I'd say Jeter has been the most successful. He plays the statistically hardest sport and he's a career .313 hitter with over 3,000 hits. He's also done all this while playing in arguably the hardest sports city.
come on dude. you are comparing a career .313 hitter to tiger woods. that is like comparing phil mickelson to tiger.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:45 pm to chalmetteowl
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i'd put Lewis above Jeter...
maybe its just me but lewis isnt on either of these guys level
Posted on 1/8/13 at 5:59 pm to Lester Earl
Marvin Harrison and Jonathan Ogden were in the 1996 NFL draft. Also, Venus Williams made her tennis debut around that time.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:10 pm to lsugolf1105
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lsugolf1105
Did you miss the fact he has over 3,000 career hits, 3,304 to be precise? Only 28 players have ever done that and he ranks 10th all time. With an average year he will probably move to sixth all time.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:12 pm to SaintCajun
quote:lol not an argument for how someone has done more than tiger mf'ing woods.
Only 28 players have ever done
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:13 pm to SaintCajun
he also holds postseason records for career:
hits
runs
doubles
triples
total bases
hits
runs
doubles
triples
total bases
Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:49 pm to TigerBait2008
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Kobe has none, he isn't the 2nd best to play
You misunderstood what I said. I said second best at their postion (in Kobe's case, shooting guard), not best player. Jordan is obviously #1, Kobe has a pretty firm grip on #2 at the moment. Kobe may be top 5 all time as players....but it's very debatable.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:10 pm to SaintCajun
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I'd say Jeter has been the most successful. He plays the statistically hardest sport and he's a career .313 hitter with over 3,000 hits. He's also done all this while playing in arguably the hardest sports city.
Tiger is second in career wins and second in career majors....you really think Jeter is more successful?
Jeter did that in a lineup surrounded by the best talent money can buy. While Tiger did it all by himself.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:13 pm to SaintCajun
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Did you miss the fact he has over 3,000 career hits, 3,304 to be precise? Only 28 players have ever done that and he ranks 10th all time. With an average year he will probably move to sixth all time.
Did you miss the fact that Tiger has 14 majors, and only 1 person has more than him. Or the fact that he has 73 wins overall, once again only 1 person having more than him.
Anyone that doesn't think Tiger has been the most successful along with being the most influential to his sport either don't know golf or is an idiot.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:22 pm to texastiger38
I said tiger was the most influential because he changed the way the game was played. I said jeter was the most successful because of what he has accomplished in a sport that is the statistically hardest to compete in and did it all while playing under the microscope that is New York City
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:26 pm to Lester Earl
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i'd put Lewis above Jeter...
maybe its just me but lewis isnt on either of these guys level
Your not alone
Posted on 1/8/13 at 7:27 pm to SaintCajun
Yet, as you said, 28 guys have accomplished what he did.
All of his postseason records are heavily reliant on the team aspect of baseball, without his teammates he would have never gotten there. He does hold numerous playoff records, as Lester pointed out, but he also was in the playoffs a bunch and played a ton of games.
Golfing success is solely reliant on how a player does by himself.
All of his postseason records are heavily reliant on the team aspect of baseball, without his teammates he would have never gotten there. He does hold numerous playoff records, as Lester pointed out, but he also was in the playoffs a bunch and played a ton of games.
Golfing success is solely reliant on how a player does by himself.
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