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re: Chris Rock explains how baseball got so white and old
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:18 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:18 am to Pilot Tiger
Youth participation is falling across all four major sports.
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:24 am to StrongSafety
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some innocent people don't like people that treated them like shite ?
What?
Posted on 4/23/15 at 10:26 am to TH03
My problem with the MLB is there are too many games in a season. They play too many months. Drop the games to 80 games and you will fill the parks. Baseball fizzled when kids quit collecting baseball cards and the league got full of players that we can't even pronounce their names.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 11:22 am to StrongSafety
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Entitled to what? Are you mad at me for making a simple statement---some innocent people don't like people that treated them like shite ?
I'm not excluding people from acts of forgiveness, but not everyone is holier than thou.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 11:25 am to BilJ
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you have this stance because you have a rooting interest in LSU, but if it weren't for LSU I'd never watch an inning of college baseball, its pretty shitty. The new balls have helped a little but there's no way you can tell me its a better product than MLB, that's just retarded and I don't even like the MLB.
I actually don't have a rooting interest in LSU, but your point was definitely made. But shouldn't every fan that has a rooting interest in their schools football or basketball team have a rooting interest in their school's baseball team?
Also, not sure how you are defining "product" in terms of MLB v NCAA, but I do enjoy NCAA baseball more. But that is just my preference.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 11:43 am to Atom Knab
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But shouldn't every fan that has a rooting interest in their schools football or basketball team have a rooting interest in their school's baseball team?
yes, but that doesn't mean they follow the teams. I mean if LSU's softball team wins i'll be happy for them, but i don't follow it.
Frankly the only sport where i regularly watch games without my teams is football, college and pro. Basketball i rarely watch regular season games with out LSU, but do watch the tourney. I'll watch big NBA games sometimes or at least have it on but not that often,
Posted on 4/23/15 at 11:58 am to H-Town Tiger
I know he's right when he plays the "black people decide what is cool, and all the kids follow their lead" card, but what I don't agree with is the idea in society that you're a failure if you don't suck up to that demographic and ignore everybody else. I'm sick of everything being for them. I don't identify with our auto-tune, reality-television society, and I don't care to. I'm just tired of that attitude--you don't suck up to us so you're a FAILURE.
What do they want to do? Have choreographed home run celebrations? Play oontz-oontz-oontz between pitches? Have trash-talking press conferences before the games?
He says that the average MLB fan is a 53 year old white guy and getting older. Well, these days 53 is just past middle age. And just because the demographic is old, it doesn't mean that it's dying. When you're 53, you're not going to find MMA and the NBA as entertaining anymore. You're going to start bitching "those kids ruining everything." And that's when you're going to turn to MLB. Because they're not letting the kids ruin it. It's not that it's getting "irrelevant." Maybe they found a loyal and wealthy niche and they're taking it to the bank.
Basically old middle-class white people have two alternatives for entertainment these days: CBS and Major League Baseball. Why do they want to take those away from us too?
/end rant
What do they want to do? Have choreographed home run celebrations? Play oontz-oontz-oontz between pitches? Have trash-talking press conferences before the games?
He says that the average MLB fan is a 53 year old white guy and getting older. Well, these days 53 is just past middle age. And just because the demographic is old, it doesn't mean that it's dying. When you're 53, you're not going to find MMA and the NBA as entertaining anymore. You're going to start bitching "those kids ruining everything." And that's when you're going to turn to MLB. Because they're not letting the kids ruin it. It's not that it's getting "irrelevant." Maybe they found a loyal and wealthy niche and they're taking it to the bank.
Basically old middle-class white people have two alternatives for entertainment these days: CBS and Major League Baseball. Why do they want to take those away from us too?
/end rant
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:15 pm to lsutigers1992
The lack of Black participation in Baseball is directly related to the lack of black male role models... Whether that be a father or an uncle, etc.. It takes someone to get you a glove and help you break it in. It takes someone to help you learn how to hold a bat and swing it. How to throw and catch.
I have coached tee ball, coach pitch, little league for about 13 years now with my three kids. Almost all of the black kids we get past t-ball have an adult male sitting in the stands watching them or in the dugout coaching them.
Having coached Biddy Basketball, I can tell you that's not always the case. Basketball takes less coaching and can be picked up observationally much easier than Baseball.
When I played baseball as a kid, we had way more black teammates than my kids do now, and I knew all my teammates dads or uncles/grandfathers.
The cause of of why this is the case can be debated. The effect it's had on black baseball participation cannot.
I have coached tee ball, coach pitch, little league for about 13 years now with my three kids. Almost all of the black kids we get past t-ball have an adult male sitting in the stands watching them or in the dugout coaching them.
Having coached Biddy Basketball, I can tell you that's not always the case. Basketball takes less coaching and can be picked up observationally much easier than Baseball.
When I played baseball as a kid, we had way more black teammates than my kids do now, and I knew all my teammates dads or uncles/grandfathers.
The cause of of why this is the case can be debated. The effect it's had on black baseball participation cannot.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:29 pm to CatsGoneWild
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My problem with the MLB is there are too many games in a season. They play too many months. Drop the games to 80 games and you will fill the parks.
I have my doubts that the number of games is your problem with MLB. It's ok if you don't like baseball, but MLB attendance is fine in most cities. And having fewer games wouldn't help the teams that struggle.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:42 pm to PrimeTime Money
Unwed birthrate.
Think of how many of you learned to play baseball from your dads
Basketball can be learned on the streets
Think of how many of you learned to play baseball from your dads
Basketball can be learned on the streets
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:46 pm to prplhze2000
I'm asking this truthfully because I've never looked into it: If David Ortiz and Edgar Renteria are not considered "black" for MLB statistics, are Manu Ginobili and Luis Scola considered "white" NBA players?
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:50 pm to dpd901
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The lack of Black participation in Baseball is directly related to the lack of black male role models... Whether that be a father or an uncle, etc.. It takes someone to get you a glove and help you break it in. It takes someone to help you learn how to hold a bat and swing it. How to throw and catch.
This is chickenshit. Just conveniently blaming societal issues and also playing into baseball fans nostalgia fetish.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:59 pm to lsutigers1992
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He says that the average MLB fan is a 53 year old white guy and getting older. Well, these days 53 is just past middle age. And just because the demographic is old, it doesn't mean that it's dying. When you're 53, you're not going to find MMA and the NBA as entertaining anymore. You're going to start bitching "those kids ruining everything."
Here's where i disagree. People tend to always like the things they liked as kids. Really we always have romantized the past. So if you are 53 now, you probably did like baseball as a kid, it was the #1 sport uptil the 70's maybe even early 80's when the NFL took over. There was no MMA, but people did like boxing. Now someone that is 23 currently and grew up like MMA and the NBA, he probably will still like those things when he is 53 and he won't suddenly start liking baseball if he never did. That said, I do think there are plenty of kids that like baseball, its still what 2nd in partication to soccer, which i'm gonna say is #1 because more girls play soccer than baseball. So it will never be where it was in the national landscape thru the 50's and 60's. But it will still be around.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:04 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Now someone that is 23 currently and grew up like MMA and the NBA, he probably will still like those things when he is 53 and he won't suddenly start liking baseball if he never did
It could happen. I'm not in my 50s yet. I loved heavy metal when I was a kid but I hate all the new stuff. I still listen to the old stuff but now I find myself listening to and even tolerating all that cheesy corny crap that I used to laugh at my parents for listening to. Tastes change. People get old and out of touch. Strange things happen.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:07 pm to StrongSafety
his argument is invalid when he shows 20 black kids playing baseball in the DR.
are they not black in his eyes?
are they not black in his eyes?
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:09 pm to StrongSafety
quote:did he say black people don't like to look back? LOL
Interesting points
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:10 pm to lsutigers1992
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I loved heavy metal when I was a kid but I hate all the new stuff. I still listen to the old stuff
exactly, you don't like the new music, but you still listentto the stuff you liked as a kid. Kids that like the new stuff now, will still like it when they are older.
Music and movies are the same as sports. Yes, the players will not be the same, but the sport still is, sure old guys get upset about showboating, tats or whatever, they may not like "the spread" offense in college, but they still tend to watch/follow the same sports they always did. If you demographic is getting older, that becomes a concern.
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People get old and out of touch.
right, so the 23 y/old today probably won't like the music or the new sport that comes around 25 years from now, but he will still like the stuff he likes now by and large.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:13 pm to TH03
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his argument is invalid when he shows 20 black kids playing baseball in the DR. are they not black in his eyes?
Dominicans aren't black in their own eyes. To Dominicans, Haitians are black. And they don't want to be associated with Haitians.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:27 pm to saintsfan22
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saintsfan22
I think he has a point. My dad had a major influence in my youth athletics. I always had a coach but it was my dad who was really the driving force behind everything.
I would say that goes for the vast majority of posters on here.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:37 pm to Azazello
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My dad had a major influence in my youth athletics. I always had a coach but it was my dad who was really the driving force behind everything.
That doesn't mean there's no way you learn baseball if your dad isn't there. You need your dad to teach you how to break in a glove and hold bat but football and basketball apparently just comes to kids like a 6th sense? You need a dad to teach you to throw and catch a baseball but not football? Come on.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 1:40 pm
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