re: CHC Thread | Schwarber Smash | CLE (Bauer) @ CHC (Arrieta)

Yep

When you start weeding out small market teams and teams lacking top end prospects, you're only left w a few teams imo

Baez isn't Corey seager, but if you sweeten the pot with 2 other top 100 guys, you could be working with something

You see what we got for Samardjiza and then what TB got for price (lol)..granted they are slightly different circumstances, so It's really hard to call. It only takes 1 GM to like a guy though. Amaro is all over the place so who knows what that guy wants to do. The fact that a deal hasn't been done tells me he's asking too much

You're looking at a dealing a prospect vs signing another FA which will likely cost 80-100mil in extra money(compared to Hamels), and 2-4 years of a bad contract at the end of said pitchers career.

Sounds like a better trade off to me, considering we already know Lester will be an albatross late in his career

The Cubs are hot and only getting better, two games out of the WC. STL is reeling and are beat up. Conceivably they are catchable. You can play for now and the future

I don't think you are sacrificing the future by trading what ifs for 4 years of an ace in his prime.

Greinke could opt OUT of a contract already paying him $20m+ he's going to cost a shite ton over his last long term deal

Price has had this date circled for awhile too. This will be his career deal for Scherzer money.

4 years of Hamels in the $20s at the expense of prospects who could or could not turn out, at positions we are set at

7 years of 30+ yo price or Greinke in the $30m range? Tie up near $60m per year fir awhile for 2 pitchers on the wrong side of 30

Interesting scenario

Heck, I'm not even saying we should break the bank by signing Price or Greinke. In fact, avoid those albatross contracts. There are diamond in the rough pitchers out there for the signing. St. Louis seems to always be able to scrape together a solid rotation. Heck, the Twins have put a decent staff together out of nothing this season. Cubs could do that too.

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All I am saying is I don't want to trade good prospects away to just make the WC. I'm looking to next season and years down the road where this team will contend for WS titles.

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well a trade for Hamels wouldnt just be for this year, but through 2018, with a 2019 team option.


Financially, it makes more sense to go with him through his age 34 year, then to pay a 30 or 31 year old pitcher for 6-7 years at $20mil or so, even if it means we give up a prospect or 2.


In an ideal world we wait for our own pitching to come up, but we cant do that if we are competing right now. We need more pitching ASAP to keep up with the rest of the team.


You say we need middle infielders, but we actually have a surplus. Which is why a guy like Baez or even Starlin Castro can be expendable. Trade one of them, and you still have Addison Russell, Ian Happ(our 2015 1st RD pick), Gleyber Torres. We have a nice stockpile of talent there.

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Also, I'm not into overpaying for guys on the flip side of 30. I'd rather spend reasonable money on guys that can be solid rotation guys, not ace money that will bite us on the back end of the contract.

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Ace's win championships. Lester is a nice start, and yes, im kind of against signing another aging ace for 6-7 years, which is why Hamels would be perfect to put next to Lester. He's expensive, but he's likely to be really good through the end of his contract.

with all that said, why can't we win now?

trading a prospect or 2 isn't going to hinder our future.


not when we already have young guys in the show like Bryant, Russell, Schwarber, Soler, with young vets like Rizzo and Castro.

You can only play 8 guys.

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The Cubs are hot and only getting better, two games out of the WC

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Cubs are in the wild card right now.

It depends which prospect ot two. If you can get Philly to part with hamles for baez and mendy or voglebach then sure. but I don't see them doing that. And the idea of just throw another guy in completely misses what the phils want. They want to pay money to buy more prospect return For at or almost major league ready players. So the question would be better asked are you OK with dealing schwarber and mendy for hamels?

When faced with that I'd rather buy a pitcher in the offseaso. It's not my money and I think the cubs are in a place where we are going to have plenty of it.

The idea of a "throw in" is letting them name whoever they want outside of our big dogs. It's not like we would throw in a Baxter or someone.

I don't think anyone would trade Schwarber in a deal for Hamels or many other players at that

Would a FO hung up on the extra year of control on Bryant then go out and sign two older pitchers to 7 year deals?

The Cubs aren't going to deal schwarber and I wouldn't want them to.

If Baez and a few other guys can't work, then move on. Im not that hung up on it.