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re: Chandler-Okafor deal done

Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:27 am to
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:27 am to
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a. plans change and i believe this is the only true long term liability on their books



I honestly don't think MJ can leave the golf course long enough to formulate a "plan" for the Bobcats

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b. larry brown hates young guys, so he doesn't care


larry brown is in the "collecting a check" mode of his career
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:30 am to
well brown pushed for the move to get diaw and co from the suns for richardson b/c he didn't like j-rich

he still cares enough to get his guys in

but okafor sounds like one of his guys anyway...but the fact that he's young doesn't matter to brown
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:31 am to
also never underestimate Larry Brown's ability to want to trade guys, or just try new players, even if it doesn't seem to make sense. apparently he had some issues with Okafor's effort.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:37 am to
from the Charlotte side of things:
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Thoughts on Okafor deal
A quick question for you: What do Gerald Wallace and John Kasay have in common?

Answer: Kasay is the last original Panther, and Wallace is now the last original Bobcat.

Assuming the Emeka-Okafor-and-Tyson-Chandler deal goes through Tuesday (and Chandler doesn't fail a physical due to his problematic big toe again), Wallace will be the only Bobcat left from that original 2004-05 team.

As I have written for Tuesday's Charlotte Observer, I haven't been a huge Okafor fan for the past several years. He's never been any better than he was as a rookie, when he was the NBA's Rookie of the Year (over Dwight Howard, which seems hard to believe now).

Okafor has never gotten worse since then, but he's never gotten much better, either. And he frustrated coach Larry Brown this past year because he doesn't have the sort of crazy basketball passion of a Wallace or a Raymond Felton.

Said Brown as the season concluded of Okafor: "I always tease that he has an 'A' in stretching, Pilates and yoga. I'd like him to have an 'A' in basketball.... He's got to work at his game. There's no better guy than him. I want him to have a passion (for basketball) because it ends so quickly.... He analyzes everything he does. I think he's just got to play."

The Okafor deal is a salary dump, certainly. The Bobcats just lopped more than $20 million off their future payroll. But that alone isn't enough reason to do this. Chandler also has to turn out to be healthy (he only played 45 games last season). He's 7-foot-1 and more instinctive than Okafor, who is a very mechanical player.

But that won't matter if Okafor is playing and Chandler is in a suit on the bench.

If Chandler stays healthy, I think this is a good deal for the Bobcats. Despite Okafor's numbers, they hadn't gone much of anywhere with him in the middle. Chandler has a chance to be a bigger difference-maker -- he won't score as often, but he can rebound about as well and can be more of an intimidator.
POSTED BY SCOTT FOWLER AT 9:34 PM
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:38 am to
here is fowler's column from today's Charlotte Observer:
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There is a point in every marriage when you start getting tired of one another. After seeing each other every day for many years, you really start getting on each other's nerves. You start wondering if this is all there is, and whether this is really enough.

Let's say your spouse doesn't play the pick-and-roll very well. And his hands are small and he doesn't always catch the basketball cleanly. And he misses close to half of his free throws. And he sometimes has trouble getting motivated. And his offensive moves look like they were designed by Mr. Roboto.

Then, if you're the Charlotte Bobcats, you might just overlook all of Emeka Okafor's good points – the career double-double average, the durability, the certainty that his name would never show up on the police blotter – and trade him to New Orleans for Tyson Chandler.

That's what the Bobcats have all but done. This trade only needs to be finalized today before Okafor goes the way of the old Charlotte Hornets and disappears with George Shinn into the Big Easy. And Chandler – three inches taller, less durable and more agile – leaves a team that has been trying to trade him for months to come try to help the Bobcats make their first playoff appearance in 2009-10.

Good deal or bad deal?

Despite the fact that Okafor has been more productive over his NBA career than Chandler, I've not been a huge Okafor fan for the past several years. I would argue that he never really improved since that standout rookie season.

So I would say this is a worthwhile gamble for the Bobcats. On its face, it's not a good deal. But I think it ultimately will become one (and it certainly clears out a lot of salary space down the road).

But there is one major caveat – Chandler's health. The Bobcats' doctors better work him over in the pre-trade physical. Chandler would already have been traded to Oklahoma City this year except that he failed that physical because of a bad big toe.

Let's put it this way: Chandler can be more of a difference-maker than Okafor, but only if he is healthy. Okafor hasn't missed a game in two seasons. Chandler missed 37 last season.

To me, this trade provides evidence that coach Larry Brown got frustrated enough with Okafor that he just didn't feel like he could win with him in the middle.

For all of Okafor's smarts – he was an academic star at Connecticut and carried a dictionary with him on the road – his basketball instincts were suspect. His numbers were pretty, but the Bobcats never went anywhere with him. And it's not easy to come up with a list of, say, Okafor's three best moments as a Bobcat.

Chandler, though, can also be a tease. He and Okafor were born just four days apart, and both will turn 27 before next season begins.

Chandler (7-foot-1, 235 pounds) at least will be better-equipped to defend Orlando stud Dwight Howard. But Chandler's numbers are worse than Okafor's, even though he had Chris Paul at point guard in New Orleans.

Another big factor to this trade: Okafor's guaranteed contract runs far longer than Chandler's. If Chandler doesn't work out, the Bobcats can go get somebody else in a couple of years. But they are about to get out of a contract that paid Okafor like the all-star I don't think he was ever going to be.

Still, Okafor is a classy guy, and he has all but left the building. That's a little sad. But it would be a whole lot sadder if the Bobcats had won anything worth winning during his five seasons here.


so his take is they just got tired of a 14/10 guy that stays out of trouble but has a fairly low ceiling? damn hope they enjoy the tyson chandler experience in Charlotte
This post was edited on 7/28/09 at 8:43 am
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:47 am to
yeah I'd seen that. the Charlotte situation as a whole is just kinda fricked. I've got relatives up there and have been to games since back when the Hornets were still there. crazy how they fell outta love with the Hornets, got the Bobs, and the Bobs have seemed to do a lotta shite to further alienate the fanbase.
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:49 am to
Ive been listening to Charlotte sports talk for their perspective.

The fans seem to hate it. The hosts seem to like it.

They keep talking about how Okafor just hasnt progressed as a player,especially offensively.

I know Okafor's not great offensively, but i dont think they understand how inept Chandler's offensive game is. He's absolutely putrid unless he's spoon-fed his points.
Plus i dont think Okafor can do anything but improve playing with Paul and West. He was at 15 & 11 as a rookie and i think he he can get to 18 & 11 playing with Paul. But even his rookie numbers would be a great improvement over Chandler
Posted by LSU_postman
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:51 am to
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b. larry brown hates young guys, so he doesn't care


Chandler and Okafore (sp?) or like 4 days apart..basically the same age
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 8:54 am to
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Chandler (7-foot-1, 235 pounds) at least will be better-equipped to defend Orlando stud Dwight Howard. But Chandler's numbers are worse than Okafor's, even though he had Chris Paul at point guard in New Orleans.


Posted by LSU_postman
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:00 am to
Man I am glad they made this trade. Feels like we will be able to compete this year.

Is it true that next year we get Mo Pete off the books and who else comes off? How much money would this free up?
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:00 am to
I like Chandler but i doubt he gives a 2007-2008 type effort playing injured, on a 30+ win team.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:08 am to
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I like Chandler but i doubt he gives a 2007-2008 type effort playing injured, on a 30+ win team.


contract year is the only reason he would give a shite

there must be some internal battles going on in Charlotte. Jordan has his guy rod higgins as the GM and somebody gave okafor all that money but it looks like today's trade is a franchise do over
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:14 am to
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Chandler (7-foot-1, 235 pounds) at least will be better-equipped to defend Orlando stud Dwight Howard.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:15 am to
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and i think he he can get to 18 & 11 playing with Paul.

i think a decrease in scoring is likely with an increase in rebounding also likely
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:23 am to
That could be true.

I wouldnt mind the points decrease as long as its not due to a drop in effectiveness. Meaning, Okafor could give us 15+ for a couple game stretch if its absolutely necessary. Thats something TC could never do.
Posted by Solo
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:27 am to
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i think a decrease in scoring is likely with an increase in rebounding also likely


If Okafor can play the pick and roll, I think his scoring avg goes up a point or two per game. This is a good trade so long as we sign a servicable back-up big. Preferably one who can play the 4 and the 5.
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:31 am to
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Preferably one who can play the 4 and the 5.


never understood why more teams didn't want Chris Wilcox this offseason
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:32 am to
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If Okafor can play the pick and roll,

he can't shoot a jumper right now to really play it

but if he gets some dwest magic and develops a decent jumper (not a dwest jumper), he could become a beast. i don't see it, but it's not impossible
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:33 am to
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never understood why more teams didn't want Chris Wilcox this offseason

i think he thinks he's worth a full MLE and will hold out for this. i also think he's got 'tude problems
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 7/28/09 at 9:34 am to
he signed with the Pistons already for like 3 mil per I believe
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