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re: Carmelo Anthony should be the MVP
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:25 pm to TigerMan327
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:25 pm to TigerMan327
The MVP, despite the literal meaning of the acronym, goes to the best player in the league. It always has. And thank goodness bc "value" is far too subjective. And which is more important turning a 7 seed into a 2 seed, or turning a 3/4 seed into one of the best teams of all time?
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:53 pm to tigerfan88
i love when melo fanboys use the "who else is going to score?" excuse. the team has pieces to compensate for carmelo's deficiencies, namely defense and rebounding. same story in denver. they need guys like tyson chandler, kidd, shumpert, kenyon martin, birdman, and chauncey(in denver) to do the dirty work b/c melo aint gunna do it. then they complain those guys arent offensive studs, too.
cowherd is right. melo is fools gold. he'll never win a title. scoring titles only.
cowherd is right. melo is fools gold. he'll never win a title. scoring titles only.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 5:24 pm to PapaPogey
quote:Do you mean Lebron?
Did I mention that Melo plays no defense?
Courtesy of Synergy Stats, overall, LeBron allows 0.89ppp (points per possession), good enough for a mediocre 169th in the league. In isolation situations, he allows 0.82ppp (167th) on 38% FG shooting. Again, mediocre.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 5:26 pm to tgr4ever
Lebron is a better defender than a computer generated version of the ideal defender
If you think Lebron can't play D, then you may as well give up on watching basketball because you clearly don't get it
quote:
LeBron James is better at playing defense than the idealized version of an NBA defender, as conceptualized by an analytic system that factors in everything from the precise positioning of every player on the floor to the individual skill-sets of the players involved on a given play. LeBron James is not fair.
If you think Lebron can't play D, then you may as well give up on watching basketball because you clearly don't get it
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/24/13 at 5:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Oh god
Carmelo Anthony should be the MVP
Posted on 4/24/13 at 5:39 pm to TulaneTigerFan
quote:This was definitely on display in G1 vs the Bucks. He was all over the court. Helping/cutting off passing lanes into the paint, while also rotating back to the corner in time. It's pretty amazing the watch.
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LeBron James is better at playing defense than the idealized version of an NBA defender, as conceptualized by an analytic system that factors in everything from the precise positioning of every player on the floor to the individual skill-sets of the players involved on a given play. LeBron James is not fair.
If you think Lebron can't play D, then you may as well give up on watching basketball because you clearly don't get it
LeBron's a lock down on-ball defender as well, when he needs to be. But he often shies away from it to save energy/not pick up fouls. So instead of just runs them into the help defense or sets them up for a block from behind. The only time the casual fan will notice LeBron engaged defensively is the 1-2 times he gets a steal or the last 5 minutes of a game when he's really wanting to lock down an individual. Outside of those circumstances, most people won't appreciate how great he is because help defense goes completely unnoticed for the most part. (Understandably because it's hard to attribute blame for a missed rotation unless watch the team enough to know what they're trying to accomplish.)
Edit: Or take that Knicks game at MSG several weeks ago. Melo could barely get a shot off in the 4th quarter because LeBron wouldn't even let him catch the ball in the half court. But that amazing defense doesn't go into synergy's stats because there were no shots taken. And it's hard to really notice unless you're looking for it because it's easy just to assume the Knicks messed up by not going to Carmelo in the 4th or blame JR Smith for being a chucker, whatever.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 4/24/13 at 5:41 pm to TulaneTigerFan
quote:I was being sarcastic. LeBron is perhaps the most versatile defender in the league and a terrific help defender.
If you think Lebron can't play D, then you may as well give up on watching basketball because you clearly don't get it
Posted on 4/24/13 at 6:02 pm to tgr4ever
while the knicks are my favorite team and carmelo is my favorite player, lebron definitely deserves mvp. anyone who goes against that is just being ignorant. melo is more valuable to his team than lebron is to the heat but lebron is the best player in the league.
that being said i still have melo top 3 in the league possibly even 2 as of late
that being said i still have melo top 3 in the league possibly even 2 as of late
Posted on 4/24/13 at 6:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The best player, almost by definition, provides the most value to a team.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 7:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:When Carmelo was off the court this year(huge sample size, 1 entire season, the Knicks outscored their opponents by 2.9 points per 100 possessions.
With him the Knicks are the 2 seed, without him they probably don't even make the playoffs.
Take LeBron off the Heat and they are still a top 4 seed.
When Lebron was off the court, the Heat were outscored by 2.3 points.
Not sure how that doesn't completely disprove that theory.
To go a step further to assess "value", when on court, Lebron's team outscored opponents by 12.8, for a net of 15.2(rounding).
Carmelo on court outscored opponents by 6.1 points for a net of 3.2.
So, not only is Lebron better, but this really does prove value as well.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 7:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Put Lebron on any team this year, and they are a #1 seed.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:17 am to Indfanfromcol
LBJ is the MVP he is having a monster year Most dominate player in the league
Kevin Durant would be my #2 selection for MVP. 40/50/90 club is pretty impressive.
I like Melo, he can score at will and is solid. But I think he is to one sided.
Kevin Durant would be my #2 selection for MVP. 40/50/90 club is pretty impressive.
I like Melo, he can score at will and is solid. But I think he is to one sided.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:20 am to Indfanfromcol
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Put Lebron on any team this year, and they are a #1 seed.
No.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:48 am to tubucoco
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dude is a click who still hasn't got out the first round.
Untrue.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:48 am to quail man
quote:that's debatable. With Lebron the Heat are going to win the championship. Without him they'd be out after the first round.
Melo is the far more valuable player to his team.
But that's not how the award works.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:49 am to tigerfan88
quote:haha
The MVP, despite the literal meaning of the acronym, goes to the best player in the league. It always has.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:50 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:put him on any playoff team and they'd get the #1 seedquote:No.
Put Lebron on any team this year, and they are a #1 seed.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:04 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Carmelo Anthony should be the MVP
Melo is not even the MVP of the knicks. JR Smith is.
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